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Navan rail

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  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭joficeduns1


    Thankfully that new survey is better than the first. This is badly needed. We recently moved to Dunshaughlin and are familiar with the 109 route. There's hundreds (maybe thousands) of new residents here in the last 12 months and they will be getting the bus when offices reopen, that weren't getting the bus before. BE are in for a capacity shock whenever things get back to normal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,643 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    cgcsb wrote: »

    1 train per 20 minutes is probably the max that can be accommodated(not bad for an outer suburban), along with every 20 mins to Maynooth (perhaps Kilcock eventually). So combined that's every 10 mins from Clonsilla inwards.

    isn't Dart+ West being designed for a 5 minute frequency?

    several hundred million to run 3 trains an hour is a hard sell.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    loyatemu wrote: »
    isn't Dart+ West being designed for a 5 minute frequency?

    several hundred million to run 3 trains an hour is a hard sell.

    383,705,911 euro at 2008 prices to get to Navan

    That doesn't include the trains


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,398 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    loyatemu wrote: »
    isn't Dart+ West being designed for a 5 minute frequency?

    several hundred million to run 3 trains an hour is a hard sell.

    15 trains per hour/4 min frequency east of Clonsilla. 2 trains per hour from Sligo, 5 trains per hour from M3 Parkway and 8 trains per hour from Maynooth. I don't see why the 5 M3 Parkway trains can't just go to Navan.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭Rulmeq


    Peregrine wrote: »
    2 trains per hour from Sligo
    That sounds like a lot?


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,062 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    From 'Beyond Maynooth' might be a better term. Mullingar and Longford starters included.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,529 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    If there is going to be capacity issues could they not develop Docklands or the new Docklands in to a new main station that takes Dunboyne & Navan if it happens and everything west of Maynooth?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,820 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    roadmaster wrote: »
    If there is going to be capacity issues could they not develop Docklands or the new Docklands in to a new main station that takes Dunboyne & Navan if it happens and everything west of Maynooth?

    I think that’s the plan anyway but there’s still gonna be constraints between Clonsilla and the future Glasnevin station.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,062 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    A significantly % will be going to the re-sited Spencer Dock station.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Where this gets very complex is, eventually any Navan rail serivce will mean calls to extend to Cavan (not a bad long term idea really), but that means intercity services and capacity in Dublin is in real trouble then.


    There's not really enough population centres beyond Navan to warrant an extension like that though. Maybe as far as Kells ...but after that where? Virginia? Kingscourt/Carrickmacross?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 41 thomas385


    AngryLips wrote: »
    There's not really enough population centres beyond Navan to warrant an extension like that though. Maybe as far as Kells ...but after that where? Virginia? Kingscourt/Carrickmacross?

    Pure pie in the sky stuff, but in a perfect world where rail infrastructure is promoted to no end, you could go from Kells up to Carrickmacross, on to Monaghan, across to Armagh and linking up at Portadown


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,226 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    AngryLips wrote: »
    There's not really enough population centres beyond Navan to warrant an extension like that though. Maybe as far as Kells ...but after that where? Virginia? Kingscourt/Carrickmacross?

    Not as a commuter service but perhaps as an intercity that would eventually connect the Northwest to Dublin.

    The Luas system has developed as a patchwork of suburban extensions that were politically expedient, while disregarding capacity in central areas on the existing network. Same as the motorway network so if we start investing in rail, I'd expect it to go the same way. It's how we do things.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Not as a commuter service but perhaps as an intercity that would eventually connect the Northwest to Dublin.


    There'd need to be a city at the other end for such a service in fairness :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,226 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    AngryLips wrote: »
    There'd need to be a city at the other end for such a service in fairness :P

    Well we have Sligo and Westport services, so that's not always true.


  • Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭ncounties


    thomas385 wrote: »
    Pure pie in the sky stuff, but in a perfect world where rail infrastructure is promoted to no end, you could go from Kells up to Carrickmacross, on to Monaghan, across to Armagh and linking up at Portadown

    I think the only real "new" line we can expect in the Republic is Navan. I think the next focus after it, and DART expansion, would be DART Underground, Galway Dual Tracking, Northern Line widening and improvements, and Cork line improvements.

    Hope we see Portadown - Armagh re instated in the North, and once the A5 is upgraded, more noise to see Derry, Strabane, and Omagh connected to Portadown, and onward services to both Dublin and Belfast.


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