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Left wing stupidity vs Right Wing Stupidity

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    #62
    thebigbiffo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    Johro wrote: »
    Yeah, the wealthier individual.

    someone's got to make the wealth. but a healthy society finds the right balance between personal freedoms and protection of the underprivileged.

    i'm just freaked out these days by our overly liberal political system constantly pushing for new regulation whereas a slightly right leaning system would let me live in a more free society.


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    #63
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Johro wrote: »
    Walk six miles to the well and back for dirty water in baking heat and we'll see how long you last.

    i can't i have a club foot


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    #64
    Liberalbrehon
    Registered Users Posts: 215 ✭✭Liberalbrehon


    thebigbiffo wrote: »
    someone's got to make the wealth. but a healthy society finds the right balance between personal freedoms and protection of the underprivileged.

    i'm just freaked out these days by our overly liberal political system constantly pushing for new regulation whereas a slightly right leaning system would let me live in a more free society.

    I think you have your 'liberal' confused with your left. Liberal economists highlight the need for less regulation. Left economic thinkers want more regulation and state intervention. Some conservatives want more state intervention into your privacy but that's the social pillar.


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    #65
    scientific1982
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    The left = Light side of the force.
    The right = Dark side of the force.


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    #66
    Scanlas The 2nd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd


    jackiebaron wrote: »
    Left vs Right ??????

    Sounds from your post like you are a right-wing nutjob who just wants to bait left wingers. There's nothing "versus" about your post given your rambling anti-left screed compared to your timid little right-wing critique.

    I wouldn't class myself as either. I just wanted to point out some things I find stupid about both sides. I don't like the right wing left wing terminology but it exists.


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    #67
    tolosenc
    Registered Users Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭tolosenc


    Both can be stupid. Both can be self-righteous. But I find it's usually only the left that are smug.


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    #68
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭RichieC


    The yanks are poisoning us with their brand of political polarisation.

    The two parties there effectively control the country using election cycle nonsense that they've shorn into two sides, the country is ready start war with itself as a result.

    I suggest we try find common ground and not focus so much on a contrived political spectrum.


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    #69
    RussellTuring
    Registered Users Posts: 867 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    I think the OP and others have an overly-simplistic view of politics. Perhaps something like this will be enlightening. It shows you where you are on a two-dimensional chart. Answer honestly.


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    #70
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭RichieC


    RussellTuring wrote: »
    I think the OP and others have an overly-simplistic view of politics. Perhaps something like this will be enlightening. It shows you where you are on a two-dimensional chart. Answer honestly.

    Hmm...


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    #71
    cleremy jarkson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭cleremy jarkson


    Capitalism makes the poor richer but increases the gap between rich and poor. A rising tide lifts all boats.

    Socialism leaves everyone worse off in monetary terms, but reduces the gap between rich and poor.

    A retard could come to the conclusion communism doesn't work provided that society is composed of human beings.


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    #72
    RussellTuring
    Registered Users Posts: 867 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    RichieC wrote: »
    Hmm...

    It's much more detailed than left- or right-wing.


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    #73
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭RichieC


    :pac:


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    #74
    RussellTuring
    Registered Users Posts: 867 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    RichieC wrote: »
    :pac:

    I'd never considered that...


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    #75
    ascanbe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    cleremy jarkson wrote: »
    Capitalism makes the poor richer but increases the gap between rich and poor. A rising tide lifts all boats.

    Socialism leaves everyone worse off in monetary terms, but reduces the gap between rich and poor.

    A retard could come to the conclusion communism doesn't work provided that society is composed of human beings.

    Who here was advocating communism?
    That graph is hilarious, by the way.


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    #76
    RussellTuring
    Registered Users Posts: 867 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    ascanbe wrote: »
    Who here was advocating communism?
    That graph is hilarious, though.

    You can't use a graph without metrics! Won't somebody please think of the metrics?


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    #77
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    cleremy jarkson wrote: »
    Capitalism makes the poor richer but increases the gap between rich and poor. A rising tide lifts all boats.

    Socialism leaves everyone worse off in monetary terms, but reduces the gap between rich and poor.

    A retard could come to the conclusion communism doesn't work provided that society is composed of human beings.

    Very well put Cleremy, the one thing i will add to this however is that there are always a rich elite even in far left and communism, just fewer of them -They are the same rich elite that people dislike in the far right - the politicians.

    Look at communist Russia back in the day - their leaders. They were pretty rich personally off the wealth of those that worked


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    #78
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭RichieC


    RussellTuring wrote: »
    I'd never considered that...

    Twas actually in response to Cleremy, just unfortunate timing :)


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    #79
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭RichieC


    snyper wrote: »
    Very well put Cleremy, the one thing i will add to this however is that there are always a rich elite even in far left and communism, just fewer of them -They are the same rich elite that people dislike in the far right - the politicians.

    Look at communist Russia back in the day - their leaders. They were pretty rich personally off the wealth of those that worked

    noones fking talking about communism... sweet jesus on a tricycle..


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    #80
    RussellTuring
    Registered Users Posts: 867 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    RichieC wrote: »
    Twas actually in response to Cleremy, just unfortunate timing :)

    Sorry about that. Wait. Am I allowed to apologise in AH or is that aginst the charter?

    Snyper, I think the problem is having one group wield authority over another. As long as you can do that, then most people are going to take advantage if in the more powerful group. With state communism in the USSR, all they did was get rid of most competition and make the state supreme above all else.


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    #81
    SuperInfinity
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    Stupidity on the left is, always has been, and always will be far worse than stupidity on the right. Stupidity on the right rarely does any harm to anyone, and is often as a result of people losing brain cells as they get older. Stupidity on the left is as a result of idiot young lefties getting crazy and wild ideas and being extremely condescending about them. The left are extremely fast to call the right stupid, and that's one of the things I hate most about the left. They're so smug.

    By the way, this idea of "the far left" and "the far right" is all a relatively new thing propagated by Fox News in America and now coming more and more to Ireland. These things just weren't a part of the lexicon before, sure they might in a boring way mention liberal/conservative thinking during a programme years ago, you might say "The Daily Mail is a conservative paper" but it never used to be like it is now. You never hear people talking about "the far left" on the Six One News or Questions and Answers.


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    #82
    Earthhorse
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    The great thing about an illusory enemy is that it can never be defeated nor can it ever defeat you. The right-left dichotomy is like a production of Cúchulain Fights the Sea in which both right and left have been cast as Cúchulain and the sea.


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    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭RichieC


    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3494530275568693212#

    well worth the watch :)


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    #84
    cleremy jarkson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭cleremy jarkson


    ascanbe wrote: »
    Who here was advocating communism?
    That graph is hilarious, by the way.

    It took about a minute and a half to make. And I know nobody here is foolish enough to advocate communism, I was just putting it in perspective with the other 2 systems.

    You're right snyper, regardless of what sort of system is in operation, there will always be a small elite running the place and getting rich off the backs of everyone else, that wanker kim jong il comes to mind


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    #85
    [Deleted User]
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    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    =-Stupidity on the right rarely does any harm to anyone.

    *ahem* Hitler.

    /Godwin


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    #86
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    The left -vs- right argument I believe is more "human realism" (for lack of a better word) -vs- economic realism. Both sides need to be considered when forming a "sustainable" society; if you keep the workers happy it will lead to positive moral, enthusiasm and possibly improved produce but at the same time you need to consider improving economic growth and being competitive globally to increase capital.

    I view capitalism as a necessary evil (much like I view the state); it encourages business growth and development and the increase in state funding to bring about social change without having a painful effect on the taxpayer. I view it sometimes as evil simple because it can lead to greed and the reckless gambling which was reflected in the economic downturn here. However I couldn't regard worker satisfaction in the same regard, as worker satisfaction is fundamentally "human" satisfaction and I dislike the clinical notion of people being treated as mere numbers on the stock market. I believe strongly in individualism and I believe that elements of corporatism can erode it.

    I think that some elements of socialism can help promote the idea of individualistic worth but some socialist ideas can be unrealistic and damaging. Trade unionism has helped to improve the concept of individualistic worth over the last century but it has gotten out of hand, as many people well know - to suggest otherwise would be quite naive. Many trade unions have too much power; they have to be taken by the reigns and told enough is enough. Saying this I'm not going to devalue the necessity of there being trade unions as in the future a situation might very well arise when they will be genuinely needed to restore a balance to society.

    We must be reminded too that trade unionism isn't the only major component of socialism; it's only one small part and has often blackened the socialist cause in recent times. Some beneficial concepts that socialists spout are free education and universal healthcare. I'd love to see the latter being implemented but obviously it's for better times and there aren't many political parties, apart form Labour, who would consider trying to implement it.


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    #87
    Up de Barrs
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    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    Stupidity on the left is, always has been, and always will be far worse than stupidity on the right. Stupidity on the right rarely does any harm to anyone, and is often as a result of people losing brain cells as they get older. Stupidity on the left is as a result of idiot young lefties getting crazy and wild ideas and being extremely condescending about them. The left are extremely fast to call the right stupid, and that's one of the things I hate most about the left. They're so smug.

    Stupidity on the right stops gay people being able to marry and denies women reproductive rights.


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    Earthhorse
    Registered Users Posts: 14,715 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    RussellTuring wrote: »
    Snyper, I think the problem is having one group wield authority over another. As long as you can do that, then most people are going to take advantage if in the more powerful group.

    Under capitalism, man exploits man; under communism, the reverse happens.


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    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭RichieC


    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    Stupidity on the left is, always has been, and always will be far worse than stupidity on the right. Stupidity on the right rarely does any harm to anyone, and is often as a result of people losing brain cells as they get older. Stupidity on the left is as a result of idiot young lefties getting crazy and wild ideas and being extremely condescending about them. The left are extremely fast to call the right stupid, and that's one of the things I hate most about the left. They're so smug.

    By the way, this idea of "the far left" and "the far right" is all a relatively new thing propagated by Fox News in America and now coming more and more to Ireland. These things just weren't a part of the lexicon before, sure they might in a boring way mention liberal/conservative thinking during a programme years ago, you might say "The Daily Mail is a conservative paper" but it never used to be like it is now. You never hear people talking about "the far left" on the Six One News or Questions and Answers.


    Not at all coloured by you own biases of course.


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    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    SuperInfinity wrote: »
    Stupidity on the left is, always has been, and always will be far worse than stupidity on the right. Stupidity on the right rarely does any harm to anyone, and is often as a result of people losing brain cells as they get older. Stupidity on the left is as a result of idiot young lefties getting crazy and wild ideas and being extremely condescending about them.

    Seriously? Have you learned nothing, nothing at all from the past few months or years or decades?

    Stupidity amongst capitalistic circles and its encouragement has led to the situation the country is in at the minute and the reason why so many people are in debt, so many people can't pay off their mortgage or bills, the reason why 25,000 jobs are due to go in the next year and, most heart breaking imo, that 50,000 people are due to leave the country. "Stupidity on the right rarely does any harm to anyone", talk about a smug attitude.


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    ascanbe
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    cleremy jarkson wrote: »
    It took about a minute and a half to make. And I know nobody here is foolish enough to advocate communism, I was just putting it in perspective with the other 2 systems.

    You're right snyper, regardless of what sort of system is in operation, there will always be a small elite running the place and getting rich off the backs of everyone else, that wanker kim jong il comes to mind

    Sorry, didn't realise it was your own work and you were just using it to illustrate your own view-point; thought you had picked it up elsewhere.
    Anyway, there are many varying scales/balances of capitalism/socialism so, in my opinion, using the terms as absolutes is pointless.
    From what i've seen, the purer a form of capitalism a country practices the less true the old 'rising tide lifts all boats'/'trickle-down' axiom becomes. They actually tend to mirror communist states; the masses stay at the same level and work to further enrich a small elite.


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