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Lime Tree Farm · 27-10-2020 10:54am

emaherx wrote: »

Ha, I got more right... I'm practically vegan. Although the ones I got right was because I clicked on words I didn't recognized. I'm confused by the fruit thing being called a pulled pork substitute though.

If you were eating a Seitan Steak, what would you be eating? Wheat gluten.

Seitan - replace the E with an H, more likely.

28-10-2020 3:00pm

If you really want to go green why not encourage people to plant spuds, carrots, parsnips etc in the garden. Get a few hens for eggs and you have a source of protein and also some animals to eat waste salads / fruit / bread.

Also, car pooling in a post covid world would have a great reduction in fuel use etc.

Both of these could be incentivised by the state.

This "greenwashing" seems to only fly if it involves a trip down to the supermarket to but avacados from mexico or a trip to the car dealership to buy electric cars that use electricity from fossil fuel power plants

Dinzee Conlee · 28-10-2020 4:09pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If you really want to go green why not encourage people to plant spuds, carrots, parsnips etc in the garden. Get a few hens for eggs and you have a source of protein and also some animals to eat waste salads / fruit / bread.

Also, car pooling in a post covid world would have a great reduction in fuel use etc.

Both of these could be incentivised by the state.

This "greenwashing" seems to only fly if it involves a trip down to the supermarket to but avacados from mexico or a trip to the car dealership to buy electric cars that use electricity from fossil fuel power plants

Ha - What if some of the CAP went to backyard veg gardeners?
I wouldn’t think it’d be a bad thing at all - not sure everyone would see it that way...

AndrewJRenko · 14-01-2021 7:33pm

alps wrote: »

You're on....sincerely hope we can find a nice eatery open in 3 months..

Mouth watering now..

So eh, any sign of that evidence?

14-01-2021 8:31pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Ha - What if some of the CAP went to backyard veg gardeners?
I wouldn’t think it’d be a bad thing at all - not sure everyone would see it that way...

They'd soon send it back when they got a dose of the terms and conditions.

Birdnuts · 14-01-2021 11:35pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Ha - What if some of the CAP went to backyard veg gardeners?
I wouldn’t think it’d be a bad thing at all - not sure everyone would see it that way...

Not a bad idea that - I'm reading a book atm that references studies showing the nutrition content of fruit and vegetables has collapsed over the past 70 years due to soil damage from intensive farming practices!!

wrangler · 14-01-2021 11:41pm

Birdnuts wrote: »

Not a bad idea that - I'm reading a book atm that references studies showing the nutrition content of fruit and vegetables has collapsed over the past 70 years due to soil damage from intensive farming practices!!

You must want us back in the dark ages , did you ever pull fodder beet or pick potatoes manually or thin fodder/sugar beet on your knees.
My first mth in ag college was picking carrots and you'd need two sundays in the week to pull carrot slices from under your finger nails

Birdnuts · 14-01-2021 11:46pm

wrangler wrote: »

You must want us back in the dark ages , did you ever pull fodder beet or pick potatoes manually or thin fodder/sugar beet on your knees.
My first mth in ag college was picking carrots and you'd need two sundays in the week to pull carrot slices from under your finger nails

I'm afraid its you that is stuck in the dark ages - what I'm taking about is not going back to the ox and plough but healing agri soils that have been denuded of mineral and humus content by over use of chemicals and excessive ploughing etc.

PS - and yes I did plenty of thinning Turnips etc. as a young lad

14-01-2021 11:49pm

Birdnuts wrote: »

Not a bad idea that - I'm reading a book atm that references studies showing the nutrition content of fruit and vegetables has collapsed over the past 70 years due to soil damage from intensive farming practices!!

Chemical farming practices, intensive is something different altogether. I wish people would stop confusing the two.

Birdnuts · 14-01-2021 11:53pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Chemical farming practices, intensive is something different altogether. I wish people would stop confusing the two.

The humus and microbial activity in many agri soils have collapsed in recent decades - its a worldwide problem eg. In Australia the organic content of soils is now a fraction of what it was pre-settlement. However simple measures like green covers, herbal leys etc can turn the tide on such problems

14-01-2021 11:58pm

Birdnuts wrote: »

The humus and microbial activity in many agri soils have collapsed in recent decades - its a worldwide problem eg. In Australia the organic content of soils is now a fraction of what it was pre-settlement. However simple measures like green covers, herbal leys etc can turn the tide on such problems

Yup, thanks to ploughing and use of chemicals. You can still farm intensively and not do damage that ploughing and chemicals bring.

wrangler · 14-01-2021 11:59pm

Birdnuts wrote: »

The humus and microbial activity in many agri soils have collapsed in recent decades - its a worldwide problem eg. In Australia the organic content of soils is now a fraction of what it was pre-settlement. However simple measures like green covers, herbal leys etc can turn the tide on such problems

Specialisation is the way it is now, there's land around here that's ploughed for fifty years so it must be sustainable, cost would be the main reason guys are being driven away from ploughing, it takes land a few years to adapt to mintill too, I hear it costs money to change but cheaper three or four years into the system

Birdnuts · 15-01-2021 12:06am

wrangler wrote: »

Specialisation is the way it is now, there's land around here that's ploughed for fifty years so it must be sustainable, cost would be the main reason guys are being driven away from ploughing, it takes land a few years to adapt to mintill too, I hear it costs money to change but cheaper three or four years into the system

It depends how you look at these things - as I mentioned earlier, in terms of nutriant content of fruit/veg it clearly has become highly degraded. I suppose itssimilar to stock on monoculuture PRG leys requiring a variety of supplementry minerals, medication and feed to maintain condition/thrive. Or why mountain lamb tastes so much better than conventional product

wrangler · 15-01-2021 12:31am

Birdnuts wrote: »

It depends how you look at these things - as I mentioned earlier, in terms of nutriant content of fruit/veg it clearly has become highly degraded. I suppose itssimilar to stock on monoculuture PRG leys requiring a variety of supplementry minerals, medication and feed to maintain condition/thrive. Or why mountain lamb tastes so much better than conventional product

Is mountain lamb profitable, to be sustainable it has to be profitable. if your watching farming programs on british tv at the moment you'll see one woman running 1000 ewes on 6000 acre, she works very hard for that, is that sustainable.
What ever way land is farmed from now on, it'll have to be sustainable not idealistic, if it lasted the last fifty years in tillage there's no reason it won't last the next fifty if it's profitable.
My land is being cut for silage three times a year, is that sustainable, what ever the answer is it's the way it is and we have to accept it or no one wants it..
It does get 5 - 8 000 gals slurry/acre which takes some of the harm out of it

15-01-2021 12:51am

Some of my own personal key lessons from 2020

1. Its easy to grow your own carrots, parsnips, spuds and onions with a few raised beds and a bit of topsoil and a bit of natural fertiliser

2. Foreign holidays aren't really essential, if an individual is serious about climate change then cut out the holidays abroad as aviation is driving emissions

3. Spending excess money on unused consumer goods, food and clothes leads to waste of resources and massive amounts of landfill waste etc. Some of this rubbish ends up in the sea as plastics etc

4. The lockdown was really challenging for a lot of people as it forced us to look at what really matters. Spending time cultivating your own food and really asking yourself what matters was possible when the rat race was suspended

I wonder how much the average mileage went down in 2020

Birdnuts · 15-01-2021 2:52am

Deleted User wrote: »

Some of my own personal key lessons from 2020

1. Its easy to grow your own carrots, parsnips, spuds and onions with a few raised beds and a bit of topsoil and a bit of natural fertiliser

2. Foreign holidays aren't really essential, if an individual is serious about climate change then cut out the holidays abroad as aviation is driving emissions

3. Spending excess money on unused consumer goods, food and clothes leads to waste of resources and massive amounts of landfill waste etc. Some of this rubbish ends up in the sea as plastics etc

4. The lockdown was really challenging for a lot of people as it forced us to look at what really matters. Spending time cultivating your own food and really asking yourself what matters was possible when the rat race was suspended

I wonder how much the average mileage went down in 2020

I agree with alot of what you said there but on the holiday front - I tend to go on foriegn holidays every few years to destinations where I spend my money enjoying the local wildlife etc. that brings in money to the local communities there that encourages them to maintain/protect their natural heritage eg. Large areas of the Masai Mara in Kenya would have been turned over to commercial cash crops years ago if it wasn't for tourists coming to view the big game.

Mooooo · 15-01-2021 10:37am

Birdnuts wrote: »

It depends how you look at these things - as I mentioned earlier, in terms of nutriant content of fruit/veg it clearly has become highly degraded. I suppose itssimilar to stock on monoculuture PRG leys requiring a variety of supplementry minerals, medication and feed to maintain condition/thrive. Or why mountain lamb tastes so much better than conventional product

Sorry now but throwing around phrases like that isn't right either. There are no animals grazing in Ireland given medication to thrive

15-01-2021 8:09pm

Birdnuts wrote: »

I agree with alot of what you said there but on the holiday front - I tend to go on foriegn holidays every few years to destinations where I spend my money enjoying the local wildlife etc. that brings in money to the local communities there that encourages them to maintain/protect their natural heritage eg. Large areas of the Masai Mara in Kenya would have been turned over to commercial cash crops years ago if it wasn't for tourists coming to view the big game.

This is it, a lot of people head off abroad for the hell of it, best to go less often and for a real experience like that

Birdnuts · 15-01-2021 11:01pm

Mooooo wrote: »

Sorry now but throwing around phrases like that isn't right either. There are no animals grazing in Ireland given medication to thrive

I was referring to the increased susceptibility to health issues like worms of stock on monoculture PRG leys compared to natural herbal swards.

RandomViewer · 16-01-2021 1:25am

Seems to be a lot of US shytetalk being superimposed on Irish farming methods, could the anti farmer lobby at least try and use comparable European or British studies

16-01-2021 2:30am

RandomViewer wrote: »

Seems to be a lot of US shytetalk being superimposed on Irish farming methods, could the anti farmer lobby at least try and use comparable European or British studies

I dont see it, I think anti farmer sentiment is aimed at the vertical integration style farm, in America

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