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  • #152
    Jb1989
    Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Waternotsoda wrote: »
    Finally got my 6 AA bullocks 33 Months booked into Kepak next Tuesday.

    Base plus 8 cent hopefully?


  • #153
    jntsnk
    Registered Users Posts: 476 ✭✭jntsnk


    Waternotsoda wrote: »
    Finally got my 6 AA bullocks 33 Months booked into Kepak next Tuesday.

    Same also. Going Monday. Was hassling the agent most days for the last 3 weeks. 30 month cattle must be drying up


  • #154
    johnnyw20
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭johnnyw20


    After about 5 weeks of waiting I’ve 5 bulls going next week


  • #155
    ruwithme
    Registered Users Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭ruwithme


    Last 3 posts here waiting at least a while to get cattle hung up. some wonder why prices were not moving in the right direction for us.


  • #156
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    ruwithme wrote: »
    Last 3 posts here waiting at least a while to get cattle hung up. some wonder why prices were not moving in the right direction for us.

    I'll make that 4 over 50 went overage because of strike 13 left.No idea when they will go


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  • #157
    Good loser
    Registered Users Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭Good loser


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    I'll make that 4 over 50 went overage because of strike 13 left.No idea when they will go


    They'll go very very quickly now - with the price lift.


  • #158
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    While it was a struggle to kill cattle during October and early November It seems to have got easier over last 3 weeks especially if you have underage cattle in the bunch. Price is really the only issue now with no price rise forthcoming.

    Processors have acted the mick with smaller producers. They reneged on certain aspects of the agreement. I know a few lads that were docked 10c/kg on over 36 month cattle. These were cattle at 400kg DW so not really heavy carcasses. They have also pulled heifers back to bullock prices. Unless we see radical changes we will see a large downsizing in the industry like we say with lamb in the late noughties.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #159
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    While it was a struggle to kill cattle during October and early November It seems to have got easier over last 3 weeks especially if you have underage cattle in the bunch. Price is really the only issue now with no price rise forthcoming.

    Processors have acted the mick with smaller producers. They reneged on certain aspects of the agreement. I know a few lads that were docked 10c/kg on over 36 month cattle. These were cattle at 400kg DW so not really heavy carcasses. They have also pulled heifers back to bullock prices. Unless we see radical changes we will see a large downsizing in the industry like we say with lamb in the late noughties.
    Chatting Mill rep recently, things are very quiet
    Allot gone from bull beef is the reason
    No point in Farmer losing money to keep mill busy either


  • #160
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,054 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Hard Knocks wrote: »
    Chatting Mill rep recently, things are very quiet
    Allot gone from bull beef is the reason
    No point in Farmer losing money to keep mill busy either

    Probably be a huge amount of cattle fattened off grass so, it'll be like the lambs then, everyone going for the low cost system and driving down the autumn price....... this might be a good year compared to next


  • #161
    Waternotsoda
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭Waternotsoda


    My six angus killed out well. All over 400kg. I got over €200 each above what I got for my under age angus two months ago.

    Base price up to €3.55.


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  • #162
    Anto_Meath
    Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    If farmers are moving a away from Bull beef would it be possible that next year 2020 there will actually be a shortage of beef as all the would be bulls (16 - 18 months old) wouldn't be in the system and then in 2021 there will be deluge of cattle in the system as these bulls will then be coming into the system as steer beef at 24 - 30 months.


  • #163
    mr.stonewall
    Registered Users Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Anto_Meath wrote: »
    If farmers are moving a away from Bull beef would it be possible that next year 2020 there will actually be a shortage of beef as all the would be bulls (16 - 18 months old) wouldn't be in the system and then in 2021 there will be deluge of cattle in the system as these bulls will then be coming into the system as steer beef at 24 - 30 months.
    That would be my worry, but a lot of the bulls would be suitable for early finish as Bullock's so it might help to level things out better than we think


  • #164
    Never wrestle with pigs
    Registered Users Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭Never wrestle with pigs


    Was told that there is a big shortage of u24 month bull beef in the system for next year but I still wouldn't chance filling a shed with them lol.


  • #165
    Cavanjack
    Registered Users Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    I’m not sure if as many exited the bulls as we think. I’ve heard of a few bigger lads alright that cut bulls in the spring but a lot of the smaller and mid sized finishers carried them through the summer as bulls. Also There seems to be plenty of bulls being killed and the bull kill is still up 3.5% on last year.


  • #166
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,680 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Would most lads have an agreement in place with factories before they start feeding bulls or would they just gamble it?

    'The Bishops blessed the Blueshirts in Galway, As they sailed beneath the Swastika to Spain'



  • #167
    Robson99
    Registered Users Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Waternotsoda wrote: »

    Base price up to €3.55.

    Heifers I take it ??
    Athleague ??


  • #168
    Cavanjack
    Registered Users Posts: 2,542 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Would most lads have an agreement in place with factories before they start feeding bulls or would they just gamble it?

    Probably the bigger lads would have alright but most it’s just a gamble I’d say


  • #169
    1373
    Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭1373


    Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »
    Was told that there is a big shortage of u24 month bull beef in the system for next year but I still wouldn't chance filling a shed with them lol.
    I don’t think factories ever need a supply of bulls . Some factories won’t take bulls for any money


  • #170
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users Posts: 18,140 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    wrangler wrote: »
    Probably be a huge amount of cattle fattened off grass so, it'll be like the lambs then, everyone going for the low cost system and driving down the autumn price....... this might be a good year compared to next

    I prefer to fatten off grass for a bad price than fatten out of the shed for a bad price. The economics of winter finishing is crazy. for the last two years. Last year a price of 3.75 for most of the winter with bulls 30-50c/kg below that. Average animal costs about 2.5-3/day to finish over the winter in feeding costs alone.
    Waternotsoda wrote: »
    My six angus killed out well. All over 400kg. I got over €200 each above what I got for my under age angus two months ago.

    Base price up to €3.55.

    What weights and grades were the underage compared to the older ones. Older ones more than likely ate most of that two hundred euro in feed costs. extra.
    Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »
    Was told that there is a big shortage of u24 month bull beef in the system for next year but I still wouldn't chance filling a shed with them lol.

    Until lads refuse to put cattle into sheds processors will continue to sh!t on lads. As mush as I can I will stay away from winter finishing. Until retailers and processors realize we will not feed cattle for nothing they will continue to screw us.

    Winter finishing is too much of a gamble. Too many cattle only break even. Lots of cattle around 22-24 months will only kill around the 300 kgs as steers at this age. At present base price a 300kg O+ steer will come into less than 1100 euro. To feed him for 100 days will cost 230 euro. Add in dosing, mortality and machinery costs is another 40-50 euro. Mart, transport and slaughter fees another 40-50 euro. Take that away a from 1090 is 770 euro.

    Put in a margin of 100 euro and you see the economics are crazy.
    1373 wrote: »
    I don’t think factories ever need a supply of bulls . Some factories won’t take bulls for any money

    factories are very chose now that the kill is over 35k/week. If it was back below 30k they have been known to take horses

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #171
    Base price
    Registered Users Posts: 11,130 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Just home from dropping 3 suckler culls to the factory for a neighbour and the lairaige was half full. Chatting with the man who takes them in and he said that they will be full again tonight.


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  • #172
    Waternotsoda
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭Waternotsoda


    Robson99 wrote: »
    Heifers I take it ??
    Athleague ??

    Bullocks athleague


  • #173
    Waternotsoda
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭Waternotsoda


    There seems to be a large number of people on DoneDeal looking for heavy/overage cattle.


  • #174
    Robson99
    Registered Users Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Waternotsoda wrote: »
    Bullocks athleague

    Are heifers at 3.65 so ?


  • #175
    Waternotsoda
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭Waternotsoda


    Robson99 wrote: »
    Are heifers at 3.65 so ?

    Not sure. Steers only


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