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what CoronaVirus precautions are your club taking?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭neckedit


    RGS wrote: »
    Golf, when it opens will only be for members, no green fees or societies.

    QUOTE]

    Don't think this will be the case or if it is it wont be for long. Clubs (most of them anyway) will be more dependant than ever on green fees and society's after the loss of 2 months income and the on going loss of income from no restaurant and bars. If anything id expect clubs to open up more availability to green fees and society's.

    It will absolutely be the case for a couple of months.
    Easier for contract tracking etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Kingswood Rover


    Golfhead65 wrote: »
    So the NPHET are logging in to every clubs timesheets, I know you work in the health sector but please give us a break..total nonsense
    Please "gives us a break" now that's being melodramatic, from someone who thought Co Vid was total Nonsense and the measures taken to mitigate were a overreaction......well anyway. A bbc news article this afternoon around Golf bodies in the UK submitting proposals to the health authorities on how they would minimize risk for golfers returning to play makes interesting reading. A similar approach here from the GUI would be helpful in getting back up and running.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Ollieboy


    RGS wrote: »
    Golf, when it opens will only be for members, no green fees or societies.

    QUOTE]

    Don't think this will be the case or if it is it wont be for long. Clubs (most of them anyway) will be more dependant than ever on green fees and society's after the loss of 2 months income and the on going loss of income from no restaurant and bars. If anything id expect clubs to open up more availability to green fees and society's.

    I think it will be the opposite, members want access to the club and timesheets will be tight especially at the weekend. Also for tracing reasons. I’ve been told that only x amount will be allowed to use car park.

    I reckon the cost of membership will go up in most clubs and in our club we have already written off bar and green fee income for this year and next year if required.

    But once a club gets desperate you never know but most clubs are working together.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Please "gives us a break" now that's being melodramatic, from someone who thought Co Vid was total Nonsense and the measures taken to mitigate were a overreaction......well anyway. A bbc news article this afternoon around Golf bodies in the UK submitting proposals to the health authorities on how they would minimize risk for golfers returning to play makes interesting reading. A similar approach here from the GUI would be helpful in getting back up and running.

    The GUI/ILGU submitted proposals earlier in the month.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭billy3sheets


    1. Opening up for any kind of golf will have to coincide with the lifting of the 2km travel restriction.
    2. If you need contact tracing, will it really matter much if 1, 2 or 3 playing partners have to be traced?
    3. Doing the weekly shop is way more risky than golf - more people in less space, shared trollies, handling food packing, common checkout area etc
    It will all come down to setting a precedence and allowing non-essential travel. If golf is allowed to resume, it has to open up several other currently banned activities.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,607 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    1. Opening up for any kind of golf will have to coincide with the lifting of the 2km travel restriction.
    2. If you need contact tracing, will it really matter much if 1, 2 or 3 playing partners have to be traced?
    3. Doing the weekly shop is way more risky than golf - more people in less space, shared trollies, handling food packing, common checkout area etc
    It will all come down to setting a precedence and allowing non-essential travel. If golf is allowed to resume, it has to open up several other currently banned activities.

    On point 2 - Yes.

    Contact tracing is very demanding for HSE/HPSC and of significant impact for you , your household and actions you have to take.

    So - yes, less involved the better. From a pure practical perspective.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭billy3sheets


    On point 2 - Yes.

    Contact tracing is very demanding for HSE/HPSC and of significant impact for you , your household and actions you have to take.

    So - yes, less involved the better. From a pure practical perspective.
    Yes but compared to tracing the 40 or so people who were in the supermarket at the time I was there? With no knowledge of or contacts for any of them?


  • Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Kingswood Rover


    The GUI/ILGU submitted proposals earlier in the month.
    quick search just know turned up nothing, can u post a link, Be surprised if golf was back now next week, was hopeful last week but too much activity, too may new cases and with a small level public complacency so now looks like we will get another 2 weeks of something very akin to what we have now. shag the golf, no footie and Rovers 5 from 5 and looking a real prospect for league honors this year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭twounderpar


    Listening to Leo today and tonight's press conference, there's no chance of golf anytime soon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,549 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    quick search just know turned up nothing, can u post a link, Be surprised if golf was back now next week, was hopeful last week but too much activity, too may new cases and with a small level public complacency so now looks like we will get another 2 weeks of something very akin to what we have now. shag the golf, no footie and Rovers 5 from 5 and looking a real prospect for league honors this year.
    You won't find it with a slow search either. The GUI/ILGU outlined their approach at the end of March and followed up with a survey of clubs in April. Nothing's been published yet, but I wouldn't expect them to.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,779 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    1. Opening up for any kind of golf will have to coincide with the lifting of the 2km travel restriction.

    So many people don’t get this. There is no 2km travel restriction. You can travel anywhere if it is essential.

    The 2km is the radius around your home within which you can excercise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,470 ✭✭✭blue note


    Seve OB wrote: »
    So many people don’t get this. There is no 2km travel restriction. You can travel anywhere if it is essential.

    The 2km is the radius around your home within which you can excercise.

    Are you saying golf is essential? Or that it's not exercise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    blue note wrote: »
    Are you saying golf is essential? Or that it's not exercise.

    The only things that are essential for life are food, water and shelter. These are the things you need to keep yourself alive. But what is the point of keeping yourself alive if there is nothing to live for?
    To me life is for living and doing things that make life worthwhile. If you cannot do anything that makes life worth living then life itself has no value.
    Life and living always involves an element of risk. If we are waiting until we can resume our preferred activities entirely risk-free, we will be waiting a long long time and we will all die of boredom in the end.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,013 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    https://www.randa.org/en/news/2020/04/golf-in-the-uk-under-covid-19-restrictions

    R & A recommendations for the UK. Would imagine most if not all will be universal.

    For the competition one, where it says no competitors recommended but if can be sorted for changing scorecard, I assume someone competent could develop a method for scorecards to be done on a phone. Handy if was done by the booking system, so when group is in, player can hit 'exchange scorecard' and a players card is assigned to them. At end can then hit submit. Removes need for entering on computer too, more automation, less paper but a marker still puts in the score.

    Have an option for player to view own card at anytime too, rather than them putting it in themselves at the side. Think its work well!


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,549 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Mushy wrote: »
    https://www.randa.org/en/news/2020/04/golf-in-the-uk-under-covid-19-restrictions

    R & A recommendations for the UK. Would imagine most if not all will be universal.

    For the competition one, where it says no competitors recommended but if can be sorted for changing scorecard, I assume someone competent could develop a method for scorecards to be done on a phone. Handy if was done by the booking system, so when group is in, player can hit 'exchange scorecard' and a players card is assigned to them. At end can then hit submit. Removes need for entering on computer too, more automation, less paper but a marker still puts in the score.

    Have an option for player to view own card at anytime too, rather than them putting it in themselves at the side. Think its work well!
    If your club uses HandicapMaster/MasterScoreboard, this can be done now. Bit of setting up to do as you have to set up each member with a login to MasterScoreboard so that they can enter their scores. Scores won't go live until they have been checked, but it eliminates the need to use the clubhouse computer. Your idea of being able to exchange scorecards could be done by exchanging logins.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,013 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    If your club uses HandicapMaster/MasterScoreboard, this can be done now. Bit of setting up to do as you have to set up each member with a login to MasterScoreboard so that they can enter their scores. Scores won't go live until they have been checked, but it eliminates the need to use the clubhouse computer. Your idea of being able to exchange scorecards could be done by exchanging logins.

    Well if those options could be linked to a booking system (say BRS). Essentially longer term brs could be a booking system and have everything like howdidido, masterscorecard all in one. Wouldn't go about changing login details, too awkward for many end users. Just an automated thing that can be done on first tee


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,549 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Mushy wrote: »
    Well if those options could be linked to a booking system (say BRS). Essentially longer term brs could be a booking system and have everything like howdidido, masterscorecard all in one. Wouldn't go about changing login details, too awkward for many end users. Just an automated thing that can be done on first tee
    HandicapMaster already links with BRS. It also has its own booking system if you don't want to use BRS. Not sure about HowDidIDo. Also I'm not saying change logins, just set them up if you don't already have it done. Some clubs don't bother with individual logins to MasterScoreboard and leave it open to all. I'm just pointing out that you have to have it set up if you want to use the scorecard option.

    Probably best to give everyone in the club the same password for entering scores, so that playing partners can log in as each other and enter the other person's score.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭RoadRunner


    Was sent this this morning:
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/taoiseach-urged-to-deliver-exit-strategy-as-restrictions-to-be-extended-by-two-weeks-996617.html

    "Covid-19 restrictions are to be extended by at least two weeks.

    Divisions within Cabinet emerged yesterday as a “slight majority” of ministers called for some relaxation of curtailments to personal freedoms for over-70s, construction workers, and those who play golf and tennis.

    Looks like our case is being debated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,549 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    RoadRunner wrote: »
    Was sent this this morning:
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/taoiseach-urged-to-deliver-exit-strategy-as-restrictions-to-be-extended-by-two-weeks-996617.html

    "Covid-19 restrictions are to be extended by at least two weeks.

    Divisions within Cabinet emerged yesterday as a “slight majority” of ministers called for some relaxation of curtailments to personal freedoms for over-70s, construction workers, and those who play golf and tennis.

    Looks like our case is being debated.
    Yeah. There's a danger of people getting stir-crazy and breaking lockdown anyway. A slight easing of restrictions could give a 'light at the end of the tunnel' boost.

    On the other hand, there's still some way to go before we're at the point where we can say with confidence that the disease is under control and will die out within a short space of time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,013 ✭✭✭✭Mushy


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    HandicapMaster already links with BRS. It also has its own booking system if you don't want to use BRS. Not sure about HowDidIDo. Also I'm not saying change logins, just set them up if you don't already have it done. Some clubs don't bother with individual logins to MasterScoreboard and leave it open to all. I'm just pointing out that you have to have it set up if you want to use the scorecard option.

    Probably best to give everyone in the club the same password for entering scores, so that playing partners can log in as each other and enter the other person's score.

    Would all work well. Think itll be the way to go anyway, this may just accelerate it. Now, if only I could develop stuff like that myself


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,779 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    blue note wrote: »
    Are you saying golf is essential? Or that it's not exercise.

    That’s not what I said. I was replying to the posters comment about a 2km travel restriction, which doesn’t exist.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,779 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    RoadRunner wrote: »
    Was sent this this morning:
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/taoiseach-urged-to-deliver-exit-strategy-as-restrictions-to-be-extended-by-two-weeks-996617.html

    "Covid-19 restrictions are to be extended by at least two weeks.

    Divisions within Cabinet emerged yesterday as a “slight majority” of ministers called for some relaxation of curtailments to personal freedoms for over-70s, construction workers, and those who play golf and tennis.

    Looks like our case is being debated.

    How can tennis even be considered? If we aren’t allowed touch flags and rakes but the tennis dudes will be allowed to play with each other’s balls!

    Sorry........ there was no nice way to say that really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,549 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Seve OB wrote: »
    How can tennis even be considered? If we aren’t allowed touch flags and rakes but the tennis dudes will be allowed to play with each other’s balls!

    Sorry........ there was no nice way to say that really.
    Well you could have said that they play with and handle one ball. The ownership thereof is irrelevant. ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Raisins


    1. Doing the weekly shop is way more risky than golf - more people in less space, shared trollies, handling food packing, common checkout area etc.

    Moronic comparison. I won’t finish joining the dots for you as to how golf might be less of a priority than supermarkets. The fact that some essential services like supermarkets are riskier than golf is completely irrelevant to the question as to whether and to what extent courses should open.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭newport2


    Seve OB wrote: »
    How can tennis even be considered? If we aren’t allowed touch flags and rakes but the tennis dudes will be allowed to play with each other’s balls!

    Sorry........ there was no nice way to say that really.

    Well I guess in tennis just yourself and your opponent touch the same gear (nicer way? :)). Touching flags and rakes in golf involves many more people having indirect contact with each other.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,577 ✭✭✭newport2


    RoadRunner wrote: »
    Was sent this this morning:
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/taoiseach-urged-to-deliver-exit-strategy-as-restrictions-to-be-extended-by-two-weeks-996617.html

    "Covid-19 restrictions are to be extended by at least two weeks.

    Divisions within Cabinet emerged yesterday as a “slight majority” of ministers called for some relaxation of curtailments to personal freedoms for over-70s, construction workers, and those who play golf and tennis.

    Looks like our case is being debated.

    Hopefully.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/easing-covid-19-restrictions-new-cases-must-fall-first-but-some-sports-may-return-in-early-phase-1.4241325

    "Meanwhile, some sporting and recreation facilities could be reopened in the initial phase of the plan to ease coronavirus restrictions under draft proposals being worked on by officials.

    This would only apply to such activities where social distancing can be maintained, such as tennis courts and golf courses."


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Ollieboy


    Mushy wrote: »
    https://www.randa.org/en/news/2020/04/golf-in-the-uk-under-covid-19-restrictions

    R & A recommendations for the UK. Would imagine most if not all will be universal.

    For the competition one, where it says no competitors recommended but if can be sorted for changing scorecard, I assume someone competent could develop a method for scorecards to be done on a phone. Handy if was done by the booking system, so when group is in, player can hit 'exchange scorecard' and a players card is assigned to them. At end can then hit submit. Removes need for entering on computer too, more automation, less paper but a marker still puts in the score.

    Have an option for player to view own card at anytime too, rather than them putting it in themselves at the side. Think its work well!

    This is more or less what we’ve done and it’s built into the club app. So it’s a totally integrated system and feeds into the competition and handicap system and the membership database. We will even have live leaderboard scoring as a option. We will also have the purse enabled.

    Members will also have there own spade and sandbag along with a rake.

    We will have safety screens for pro shop and food area with take away food and safety Matt’s on floors.

    We will also deploy staff in car park and on course and restrict amount of members to practice area. Ie 3 on putting green.

    So from day 1 we can run competitions and are planning to and our golf calendars as been rescheduled to get in all majors for the year.

    We just need the govt to fire the startergun and we reckon it’s the 3rd to 4th week in May. We’ve done a lot of planning to keep members safe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,960 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    A slight easing of restrictions could give a 'light at the end of the tunnel' boost.

    I think opening the door a crack will cause a deluge of people ignoring the restrictions.
    There is already an increase if people out and about over the last week, I think this weekend will be even worse, relaxing restrictions for some sports will cause others to give up altogether IMO.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,549 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    GreeBo wrote: »
    I think opening the door a crack will cause a deluge of people ignoring the restrictions.
    There is already an increase if people out and about over the last week, I think this weekend will be even worse, relaxing restrictions for some sports will cause others to give up altogether IMO.
    Which I alluded to in the rest of my post. It's a balancing act. Currently, people are (possibly) breaking restrictions - we don't know fr sure because there are still a lot of people working in essential services and also doing shopping for themselves and neighbours (as I do). A friend of mine lives in Northern Italy and they have a 200m limit of travel from your home with the exception of shopping. He tells me that people are going to the shops just for coffees or other minor items that they don't actually need.

    That's why it may be necessary to ease some restrictions so that people can feel that they're on the last push and have some hope that they can get back to normal. Having said that, I don't envy the government trying to make that decision. It will be what it will be and we can only wait for an announcement.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭billy3sheets


    Raisins wrote: »
    Moronic comparison. I won’t finish joining the dots for you as to how golf might be less of a priority than supermarkets. The fact that some essential services like supermarkets are riskier than golf is completely irrelevant to the question as to whether and to what extent courses should open.

    Firstly, thank you for your robust opinion of my post.
    Secondly, the point I'm making is that golf would not in my view add a signifcant risk to me catching or spreading COVID, on top of the essential risks I am already taking.


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