AMD Zen Discussion Thread

Venom · 10-02-2017 11:08pm

EoinHef wrote: »

Aye i get that,what i mean is they would also need to upgrade their OS for Kaby Lake too so Ryzen not having windows 7 drivers wont be a hinderance against kaby lake anyway.

What does the Kabylake/i7 combo boost tho?

EoinHef · 10-02-2017 11:33pm

Venom wrote: »

What does the Kabylake/i7 combo boost tho?

Not sure what ye mean there?

If a company decides to upgrade now,kaby lake and ryzen both dont support windows 7. Just meant in that sense neither has an advantage there.

Cuddlesworth · 11-02-2017 12:44am

EoinHef wrote: »

Not sure what ye mean there?

If a company decides to upgrade now,kaby lake and ryzen both dont support windows 7. Just meant in that sense neither has an advantage there.

They work on Windows 7, its just that they won't supply a specific driver or try get specific newer low level chip features working on the OS in future or try fix and weird bugs that come up(which is unlikely). This is normal, Microsoft are dropping all support for Win7 next year. They don't support XP either, or NT, or Win95 but you can still install them and they will probably work fine.

extra-ordinary_ · 11-02-2017 2:21am

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

...Microsoft are dropping all support for Win7 next year. ...

They extended it to 2020 no?

Cuddlesworth · 11-02-2017 9:38am

extra-ordinary_ wrote: »

They extended it to 2020 no?

I would guess thats paid support from Enterprise if its the case.

Venom · 11-02-2017 1:51pm

EoinHef wrote: »

Not sure what ye mean there?

If a company decides to upgrade now,kaby lake and ryzen both dont support windows 7. Just meant in that sense neither has an advantage there.

My bad, I ment the CPU has extra instructions if you pair an i7 kabylake with Windows 10 but it rather vague on what they actually do

K.O.Kiki · 11-02-2017 3:43pm

Looks like some R7 1700x benchmarks leaked

K.O.Kiki · 12-02-2017 2:52am

RyZen reference coolers with LEDs

Icyseanfitz · 12-02-2017 3:20am

Wonder will they all come with coolers.

Cuddlesworth · 12-02-2017 11:02am

AMD would never put out a render like that, even internally.

Alpha8 · 12-02-2017 9:06pm

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-full-lineup-pricing-clock-speeds-leaked/

The 4c/4t one is a steal for 129

Icyseanfitz · 13-02-2017 12:06am

i wonder how the single core performance of the 1800x will stack up to say the i7 7700k, thats what has me interested, if its at skylake ipc with 8 cores 16 threads id be very interested. That and the am4 socket will be around for 3-4years

Skerries · 13-02-2017 1:11am

some leaked benchmarks

http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2017/02/12/amd-ryzen-biggest-leak-yet-amazing-benchmarks-and-prices-starting-at-just-129/#4a2ebf7f4bb7

and more expected pricing

Digital Solitude · 13-02-2017 1:28am

For anyone who doesn't want to read Forbes stupid quote.

https://videocardz.com/65825/first-amd-ryzen-7-1700x-benchmarks-are-here

Single thread performance is a little behind Intel but the pricing is so much lower it makes Ryzen a much better idea if it holds up down to the weaker CPUs.

X versions don't come with a fan apparently, surprised to hear that but I probably shouldn't be

wotzgoingon · 13-02-2017 1:30am

Digital Solitude wrote: »

For anyone who doesn't want to read Forbes stupid quote.

https://videocardz.com/65825/first-amd-ryzen-7-1700x-benchmarks-are-here

Single thread performance is a little behind Intel but the pricing is so much lower it makes Ryzen a much better idea if it holds up down to the weaker CPUs.

X versions don't come with a fan apparently, surprised to hear that but I probably shouldn't be

Sure most who would be getting them will want their own I know if I do upgrade I will get a X model and I will get my own cooler.

But then on the other hand my PC is perfectly fine so I am still on the fence if I will upgrade or not.

AlmightyCushion · 13-02-2017 1:56am

Digital Solitude wrote: »

For anyone who doesn't want to read Forbes stupid quote.

https://videocardz.com/65825/first-amd-ryzen-7-1700x-benchmarks-are-here

Single thread performance is a little behind Intel but the pricing is so much lower it makes Ryzen a much better idea if it holds up down to the weaker CPUs.

X versions don't come with a fan apparently, surprised to hear that but I probably shouldn't be

The X version is the one that can be overclocked so I'd say any one buying that would be after a better cooler anyway.

wotzgoingon · 13-02-2017 2:12am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Digital Solitude wrote: »

For anyone who doesn't want to read Forbes stupid quote.

https://videocardz.com/65825/first-amd-ryzen-7-1700x-benchmarks-are-here

Single thread performance is a little behind Intel but the pricing is so much lower it makes Ryzen a much better idea if it holds up down to the weaker CPUs.

X versions don't come with a fan apparently, surprised to hear that but I probably shouldn't be

The X version is the one that can be overclocked so I'd say any one buying that would be after a better cooler anyway.

They can all be overclocked with an unlocked multiplier.

Digital Solitude · 13-02-2017 2:12am

Ah you've some people who just want the higher clocks and aren't arsed with the whole third party cooler or overclocking lark, we get a bit of that in B&U regards like the 6700 or 6700k

dazberry · 13-02-2017 9:52am

Digital Solitude wrote:

Ah you've some people who just want the higher clocks and aren't arsed with the whole third party cooler or overclocking lark, we get a bit of that in B&U regards like the 6700 or 6700k

The X variants have XFR (eXtended Frequency Range) enabled so can automatically over clock beyond the boost clock if the cooling solution is good enough. In that respect they could be considered enthusiast parts, so it would be reasonable to expect 3rd party cooling in that case.

Cuddlesworth · 13-02-2017 12:56pm

dazberry wrote: »

The X variants have XFR (eXtended Frequency Range) enabled so can automatically over clock beyond the boost clock if the cooling solution is good enough. In that respect they could be considered enthusiast parts, so it would be reasonable to expect 3rd party cooling in that case.

I am interested in the reviews, as in theory it could mean that single threaded tasks can ramp up cores to a extreme that you might not normally get with a all round overclock.

Skerries · 14-02-2017 9:33pm

Icyseanfitz · 15-02-2017 9:39am

if thats legit and the pricing leaks are right intel is in for a rough time

wotzgoingon · 15-02-2017 2:35pm

One pricing I didn't see was Euro. The leaks have always been US dollar or some asian price.
It would be nice to know the Euro price.

Icyseanfitz · 15-02-2017 2:42pm

take the dollar price and go about 1:1 is what I'd be thinking

dazberry · 15-02-2017 3:42pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

One pricing I didn't see was Euro. The leaks have always been US dollar or some asian price.
It would be nice to know the Euro price.

A Belgian retailer leaked the prices a couple of days ago - recorded here

D.

wotzgoingon · 15-02-2017 3:52pm

dazberry wrote: »

A Belgian retailer leaked the prices a couple of days ago - recorded here

D.

Damn the chip I had my eye on is a lot more expensive in Euro.

Icyseanfitz · 15-02-2017 4:42pm

Yeah from all the price leaks I had looked at was expecting the 1800x to be around 500 euro

Venom · 15-02-2017 9:02pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Damn the chip I had my eye on is a lot more expensive in Euro.

We always get screwed on the price of tech

Cuddlesworth · 15-02-2017 9:10pm

Venom wrote: »

We always get screwed on the price of tech

Intels lowest 8 core is a grand and its lowest 6 core is 440, even if Ryzen is 20% less IPC thats still a really good deal.

EoinHef · 15-02-2017 9:19pm

Im wondering how much use all these cores are going to be for games,even ones coming out over the next year or so. Its only performance in that department that interests me,when you see i3's performing exactly the same as i7's im thinking that bar the odd outlier that most games will perform similarly on a ryzen quad core as they will on a ryzen octo core.

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