Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

SNIP. Off topic.

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Some lovely catty comments in that peice. It's a shame we don't have a name for female incels, besides feminest

Well, the whole "incel" thing was actually started by a woman - and it makes sense in a way, because historically there's always been more pressure on women to "not be single", so to speak. Despite it being deep into the 21st century, it IS still considered undesirable and/or a big problem for a woman to be single, especially as the age creeps past 30.

That said, the "incel" thing started purely as a venue for people feeling lonely to chat, exchange experiences and generally be less alone. It's only in more recent times that is has assumed to overly-negative connotation it has, and if you ask me it takes two to tango.

What I see is that while the whole "community" has fallen into a black hole of self-pity, hatred, bigotry and racism (the "black dudes get all the p~ssy" line some of these groups take is just one of the cringeworthy aspects), there is an equal influence from the mainstream media constantly bashing and belittling men who might be in a spot of bother, with the risk of pushing them into more extreme ideas.

The constant, unrelenting push of the stereotype of the single, lonely, inept, possibly virgin, fat, short, living-at-home "young white males" as the source of all evil and the cause of all issues in society has been a prevalent theme, especially in English-speaking media, over the last few years. It's a stupid approach that will only generate more and more "incel" movements.

Now sure, there are plenty of basket-cases who bring their doom upon themselves, no doubt about it; If you're unemployed, not studying, living with your mom, sitting in front of the TV the whole day and on a steady diet of Doritos and Mountain Dew, well, your "incel" status is nobody's fault other than your own.

However, the "stereotype" I mentioned above has a foundation in reality and it does include plenty of people (mostly men, but there are women in it as well) who find themselves in there through no fault of their own - physical disadvantages, crippling social anxiety or plain simple "socially undesirable" character traits are just a few of the issues that might crop up in someone's life and make social interaction and relationship multiple times harder than it is for the majority of people.

Classic example, a young guy that's short and tubby these days has pretty much zero chances of a satisfactory sexual life, through no fault of his own. He might realistically consider himself an "incel" in the original meaning of the term, be meaning well and generally be a decent guy, just to be told constantly that he has "no right" to physical or emotional intimacy, to see his particular predicament made the butt of many jokes AND being considered pretty much the root of all evil. That's the definition of being kicked while down, and it doesn't do people any good in the long term.

(The same general concept is valid for a woman in the same situation, although there ARE differences in terms of support and wider perception).

Padraig Mor wrote: »

It's bizarre really - not many people are likely to have less influence or power in the world than those who are "single, lonely, inept, possibly virgin, fat, short, living-at-home".

the funny thing is that the most criticism tends to come from the closest possible group, male feminist types who don't rate on any chart of exceptional male characteristics except they probably grew up reasonably privileged so not their own abilities.

Silentcorner wrote: »

I have never witnessed social commentary like what we are witnessing today across media, terms like "mysogyny" "toxic masculinity" and other terms of the radical feminist are everywhere these days and have been normalised, of course they mean nothing to those who aren't drinking the kool aid, I genuinely feel sorry for the sons of people who are buying into this nonsense.

As I said before, what I've witnessed is that many of the hard stance "men are entitled scum", especially women, perform a high-g 180 degree turn that'd put an aerobatics pilot to shame the moment their first boy is born.

Granted, it's not ALL of them, some keep on their idiotic line - a few months ago I've heard, for the first time "live" to my face, a woman saying "If I ever have a boy I'll be quite upset". She'll probably change her mind as well, but for now it IS troublesome.

Silentcorner wrote: »

I have never witnessed social commentary like what we are witnessing today across media, terms like "mysogyny" "toxic masculinity" and other terms of the radical feminist are everywhere these days and have been normalised, of course they mean nothing to those who aren't drinking the kool aid, I genuinely feel sorry for the sons of people who are buying into this nonsense.

https://twitter.com/obianuju/status/1160921802283147265?s=11

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/book-kavanaugh-accusers-attack-motivated-by-defending-roe-v-wade


Nothing to see here. False accusations aren't real and there is never any ulteriour motive to a false accusation of rape, creepiness or mysoginy.

This American administration may not be to your taste, but Brett Kavanagh and Donald Trump between have been falsely accused on three occasions, now, how what the f##k do you expect to achieve by falsely accusing the most powerful men in the US...what do you think those guys are going to do.

Has anyone seen the figures from the US Universities that introduced kangaroo courts on campus to clamp down on the alleged rape culture....they've been in existence since 2011...it's odd that these figures are not public knowledge.

silverharp wrote: »

i didnt read the article,but the framing is amusing...me me me me me


https://twitter.com/PetiteNicoco/status/1170332872168935426

Why is a good man so hard to find? Blame the war on boys and men

September 27, 2019

By Stephanie Gutmann

https://nypost.com/2019/09/27/why-is-a-good-man-so-hard-to-find-blame-the-war-on-boys-and-men/

This jumps around highlighting various issues. Though it's a bit superficial in some ways.

iptba wrote: »

https://www.proptiger.com/guide/post/demystifying-stamp-duty-registration-charges-in-delhi



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/70199925.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

India is still a country with great inequality, the earning potential of men is much much higher than it is for women.

I would say in this case its a product of the environment than anything.

Calhoun wrote: »

India is still a country with great inequality, the earning potential of men is much much higher than it is for women.

I would say in this case its a product of the environment than anything.

I am not knowledgeable on the earning potential of men and women in India. I do know that quite a lot of women along with men to subcontractor-type work for Irish companies and I imagine discrimination based on pay would not be allowed.

Anyway, one tends to often hear one side of the story, with disadvantages women can face in either the developed or developing world. I think it is useful to keep track of the other side of the ledger.

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Men and women are equal arnt they?, no need for positive discrimination. Equal opportunity, let everyone battle it out, the best will rise to the top regardless of gender.

That's fine if everybody is starting from the same place.

They aren't.

Saying is everyone is equal does not mean that everyone has equal opportunity.

iptba wrote: »

I am not knowledgeable on the earning potential of men and women in India. I do know that quite a lot of women along with men to subcontractor-type work for Irish companies and I imagine discrimination based on pay would not be allowed.

Anyway, one tends to often hear one side of the story, with disadvantages women can face in either the developed or developing world. I think it is useful to keep track of the other side of the ledger.

Your assumptions are incorrect, allot of the companies outsourcing overseas don't actually care about the individuals they care about the bottom line of the cost being charged to them.

Sure there are companies who will have fairer policy than others but for he most part India is very much a patriarchy.

I think it does a disservice to equal rights to call out discrimination in countries where the decks are so balanced to one sex. Especially without knowing the background behind why that might be.

It makes sense to call it out in developing countries because certain sections of our society believe that things are unequal when they are not and as such more rights gets granted to one sex.

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I'd be careful of calling foreign countries patriarchal as top down sexism is really a western concept and I think all countries have different levels of power given to men and women. As well as that, there is a bit of a precedent for saying that 'brown' (yes I know) countries need western influence, and, as well as that, we're getting our views of foreign countries from the same loonies that are saying we have a rape culture in Ireland.



It's the same thing in regards to segregrated dining areas for men and women. The western people say that it is sexist against women, but a lot of the local people say its actually sexist against men as they are segregrated from the women and childrne.



I'm not saying India is a utopian for women, but it's more complicated than saying it's a utopian for men.

Have you actually been to India? What other word would you use for Patriarchy where women's opinions are looked upon lesser than men and rape is a real risk on a daily basis?

Additionally idon't think either of us were arguing its a utopia for men but if we want our discussion on sexism to have credibility we need to compare societies that are much more closely aligned.

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I've never been to India, but I do know a lot of women who travelled through it and loved it.



It's quite a large place, as big as Europe, and very diverse. Interestingly enough, a large portion of it was actually matriarchal a couple of hundred years ago (same with vietnam).



Do I know what's going on in India? Not particularly as a lot of our news is a little bit skewed to seeing India based upon preconcieved notions.



I don't really have an argument here, but our perception of sexism (imo because it's comes from christian societies which has a bit of a hierararchal bent) has a very top down mentality. One party is weak, the other is strong.



Maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong, but I imagine what we are hearing about a country with as much of a population of Europe may be a little bit skewed based upon preconcieved notions.

I dont get what you mean by top-down.

Conventionally - when we talk about sexism - there is an underpin of power imbalance.

That can be wealth imbalance, it can be political power imbalance, it can be physical strength imbalance, it can be education imbalance, it can be income imbalance.

Where one party is at a distinct advantage in society to the other in some or all of the above.

How does Top Down come into it - I'm not being smart, but i dont know what you mean?

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I've never been to India, but I do know a lot of women who travelled through it and loved it.



It's quite a large place, as big as Europe, and very diverse. Interestingly enough, a large portion of it was actually matriarchal a couple of hundred years ago (same with vietnam).



Do I know what's going on in India? Not particularly as a lot of our news is a little bit skewed to seeing India based upon preconcieved notions.



I don't really have an argument here, but our perception of sexism (imo because it's comes from christian societies which has a bit of a hierararchal bent) has a very top down mentality. One party is weak, the other is strong.



Maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong, but I imagine what we are hearing about a country with as much of a population of Europe may be a little bit skewed based upon preconcieved notions.

Well i have been to India 3-4 times and have interacted in ways a tourist never would. I have seen the sexism and what i would class as a very patriarchal society. I post on these threads as much as you guys looking for balance in the west when it comes to men's rights.

I feel that getting outraged about it when it comes to cultures and practices not even remotely close to ours does men's rights and equality in general a disservice.