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Upgrade or Replace for new GPUs?

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  • 24-07-2020 2:43pm
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    Robert ninja
    Registered Users Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭


    Current build
    CPU i7-4770k (OC to 4GHz)
    GPU RX 480 4GB
    RAM 16GB
    PSU beQuiet! 700W
    MOBO MSI Z87-G43
    3 SSDs
    1 HDD
    1 DVD

    I'm waiting for new GPUs and 9th gen consoles to drop before I upgrade and I'm just a bit worried that the age of my system might not make it worth investing anything else into it, especially if I consider VR a few years from now (after graduation).

    It holds up fine for productivity (to my standard) and I mostly play older games which it blasts through but it's definitely struggling with modern games while I stream to the point I'm lowering some of them to 720p (although I do blame the absolute state of the game industry for that). I was considering just a GPU upgrade as I read the 5700 has a good encoder and I do use my current GPU's encoder with FFMPEG/VAAPI . I know it's always better to start a new build but if all I really need is a new GPU and possibly a new AMD CPU I'd like to wring even more out of this if I can. The system has served me really well so far and despite my gunk gable management and tower placement I've never had thermal issues.


    Also any advice on general upgrades/replacements is welcome. Have at it.


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    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Wait for the new GPUs to drop and pick up a second hand bargain. Just make sure it works before buying!

    Didn't Gamersnexus do a piece on tour CPU recently. Might be worth a watch.


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    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,697 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Start with a GPU upgrade - for your use case I'd go Nvidia to avail of NvEnc streaming: https://www.igorslab.de/en/nvidias-nvenc-vs-cpu-encoding-the-turing-video-encoder-for-twitch-streaming-co-comparison-analysis-with-netflix-vmaf/


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    Robert ninja
    Registered Users Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    Start with a GPU upgrade - for your use case I'd go Nvidia to avail of NvEnc streaming: https://www.igorslab.de/en/nvidias-nvenc-vs-cpu-encoding-the-turing-video-encoder-for-twitch-streaming-co-comparison-analysis-with-netflix-vmaf/

    It may come down to price:performance. Nvidia usually have the highest FPS but I've found that you pay more than the fps gain you actually get. The open amdgpu drivers have also been extremely reliable for me on this linux system and practically all of nvidia's features they never even bother releasing outside of windows so I kinda dropped them for that. Didn't help that the last card I got from em' bricked a week after its warranty :pac:

    I was hoping just a stronger AMD card would handle ffmpeg/vaapi on OBS better. Right now it just drains my system too much if I try to play the latest games @ 1440p with OBS churning.

    Glad to know that you think just a GPU upgrade is viable though.


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    Robert ninja
    Registered Users Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Didn't Gamersnexus do a piece on tour CPU recently. Might be worth a watch.

    Thanks! Gonna give it a watch with dinner.

    Edit: Based on that video, I think I'll be using this CPU until I need an entirely new system... or it melts. There were significant gains with the newer CPUs demonstrated but none of the FPS gains seemed worth money. Paying €300 for about 40% more FPS... meh. I'll put that kind of money aside for a new system. GPU seems to be where its at for possible upgrade on this system.


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    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Wait for the new GPUs to drop and pick up a second hand bargain. Just make sure it works before buying!

    Didn't Gamersnexus do a piece on tour CPU recently. Might be worth a watch.

    They did. The conclusions were that unless your GPU is faster than 970, it is still great CPU, especially after a bit of oc.


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    Robert ninja
    Registered Users Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    ^
    https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-970-vs-AMD-RX-480/2577vs3634

    Basically the same so it's staying. Waiting for consoles and next cards to drop so it seems. Probably sell the whole system for a few hundred and put it towards a new build then.


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    EoinHef
    Registered Users Posts: 5,569 ✭✭✭EoinHef


    Get that CPU overclocked a bit more if you have a cooler capable of it


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    wotzgoingon
    Registered Users Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭wotzgoingon


    EoinHef wrote: »
    Get that CPU overclocked a bit more if you have a cooler capable of it

    I was just about to post the same. It was in my head to post it while I was reading through the comments and then came to yours.

    You can get that to 4.4-4.6 easily. I'd say go with 4.4GHz to be safe.

    Tbh I'm surprised you have it overclocked so low.


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    Robert ninja
    Registered Users Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    It used to BSOD whenever I overclocked it even the tiniest bit on windows. Now that I don't use windows anymore I put it on 4 and its been fine for years so I guess I should try push it a little more. I'll let ya know how it goes.

    update:
    4.4 consistently caused crashes on load but 4.3 survived a full 8 thread stress for 20s and some OBS recording test. I'll keep an eye on temps next gaming session.


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    EoinHef
    Registered Users Posts: 5,569 ✭✭✭EoinHef


    Are you just changing the multiplier or are you setting the voltage aswell?

    You might need just a tad more voltage for 4.4ghz


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    Robert ninja
    Registered Users Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    Yes I did but I suppose I could tinker more. It's silicon lottery so I might've just gotten one that can't get past .3


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    EoinHef
    Registered Users Posts: 5,569 ✭✭✭EoinHef


    That can happen,I had a 3570k that I couldn't get past 4.3ghz.

    1.3v would be about the max I'd put through that CPU. I have read of people getting 4.5ghz with 1.2v but those people won the silicon lottery

    Just as an add on,im currently running a 9700K at 5ghz,im not really sure id trust that to stream and still give me the framerates id be looking for. I think ryzen with all the cores they are offering should be where you look next for sure.

    GPU is definitely wait and see what the new gen brings but you know that already.


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