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22-07-2020, 15:30   #1
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Help and advice needed, looking to get a new computer/laptop/build

Hi All,

I'm looking to get a new gaming PC. I've got an old laptop which is on it's way out. I think the GPU is dying so need to replace.

I would prefer to get/build a desktop but my wife wants a laptop in order to use the internet and stream (netflix etc) on the go or when we're away.

So, with this I really have 2 choices, get a good gaming laptop or build/buy a good gaming PC and buy a cheap laptop for internet and streaming.

Here are the details:

1. What is your budget? 2,000 for both, can potentially be stretched to 2.5 for both

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? general gaming (PC), internet and streaming (laptop)

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? No

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? No

5. Do you need a monitor? Have 4k TV I can use and if necessary can pick up a monitor, but not necessary

5a. If yes, what size do you need. No

5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? [1920x1080/1440x900/etc.] 3840 X 2160
6. Do you need any of these peripherals? No

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? Maybe, but prefer not to have to

8. How can you pay? Any

9. When are you purchasing? In 30-60 days

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? No building assistance required, the last computer I did build from scratch was a 486, but sure how different could things be

I was looking at the following for a potential build. Not sure if this is necessary. Also there's no price for the PSU but I can source all the items from multiple websites for a total of €2007. Is this overkill for a gaming PC?
I know if I went for a Ryzen 3700X it'd be 100 less, 3600X is 200 less & 3600 is 230 less.
Similarly, if I chose an MSI Gaming Trio 2070 super, that is 188 less. So if the 3900X and 2080 are overkill, then I could get it for as low as 1589 with the 3600 and 2070.

Also, I would appreciate suggestions for the laptop. What makes, costs etc so I can get a good balance.

Or alternatively, am I totally wrong and should just get a good gaming laptop? Would I get the same or better specs than buying a PC and Laptop separately for the same or less money?

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor (€502.95 @ Komplett)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (€84.95 @ Komplett)
Motherboard: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PRO CARBON WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard (€328.95 @ Komplett)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (€144.94 @ Custompc)
Storage: Western Digital Blue 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (€128.82 @ Custompc)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€79.94 @ Komplett)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card (€1000.71 @ Custompc)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400S ATX Mid Tower Case (€160.09 @ Custompc)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx White (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Total: €2431.35
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-22 15:30 IST+0100

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22-07-2020, 18:40   #2
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That CPU is massive overkill for gaming. A 3600 would be fine, a 3700X if you want to 'future proof*'. If you can wait a while a new generation of GPUs are launching which I'd personally be holding off for, especially at 2080 money.

Go for a P400A - it has a mesh front which will give much better airflow. €160 is pretty expensive for that tier of case. P400A comes in two flavours the only difference being thew fans.

Many of the prices (especially the customPC prices) seem very dear.

*No such thing really.
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22-07-2020, 18:42   #3
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Well for 1, you're buying in 1-2 months, which is right around when next-gen cards are expected (September 17th by latest rumours).

So best to come back then.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 3.9 GHz 8-Core Processor (£273.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£67.63 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard (£179.99 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (£60.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£227.99 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A Digital ATX Mid Tower Case (£83.99 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 700 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£96.95 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £991.52
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-22 18:37 BST+0100

No GPU but this is only €1100 for top-tier components, with room to budget lower (e.g. 1Tb SSD, cheaper cooler, worse motherboard).

As for laptop, definitely buy one with a Ryzen 4000 processor.
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Like Coogley said, the custompc prices are not the cheapest. You're probably better pricing it on UK pcpartpicker. I'd second KO's opinion on coming back when the new cards are out. Like he said Nvidia is rumoured for September but I'd say AMD could be late October/November. Lenovo do some decent enough value 4000 series laptops on their website if you customise it and sign up for their newsletter for 10% off
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Like Coogley said, the custompc prices are not the cheapest. You're probably better pricing it on UK pcpartpicker. I'd second KO's opinion on coming back when the new cards are out. Like he said Nvidia is rumoured for September but I'd say AMD could be late October/November. Lenovo do some decent enough value 4000 series laptops on their website if you customise it and sign up for their newsletter for 10% off
Thanks for the advice. I was thinking that myself on the GPU front and wait and see what happens in September, but I'm whether the new prices will be astronomical or not we'll just have to wait and see.

On the AMD front, the laptop doesn't need to be anything spectacular but the new chips might bring some prices down on old gen if nothing else. Looking probably in the €500ish range for this I expect. Do you know if I can get anything of any use for that?
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Dell have laptops with Ryzen 4500U processors starting at €559:
https://www.dell.com/en-ie/work/shop...inements=10352

Add another SO-DIMM for dual-channel memory.

Lenovo too:
https://www.lenovo.com/ie/en/laptops...1YMCTO1WWENIE0
https://www.elara.ie/productdetail.a...ode=ECE5793861

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