Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all,
Vanilla are planning an update to the site on April 24th (next Wednesday). It is a major PHP8 update which is expected to boost performance across the site. The site will be down from 7pm and it is expected to take about an hour to complete. We appreciate your patience during the update.
Thanks all.

Religious hate-speech in the UK or fearless speaker of truth?

Options
12357…12

Comments

  • Options
    #122
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Mod:
    Hector Savage wrote: »
    You're wasting your time trying to argue sense in here, "Atheists" that sneer at all religions except Islam - they seem to love that crap here.
    In line with the broad remit of the new forum charter update, one or more of your fellow posters has called you out upon this truth-claim.

    Can you please either substantiate this claim or retract it?

    thanks.


  • Options
    #123
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    giphy.gif


  • Options
    #124
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    The following video is quite interesting as it's the earliest instance I can find of the "the UK has no-go areas for police" claim. In this case, it was made by Vatican rebel archbishop Marcel Lefebvre back in 1989, though it's not clear whether he fabricated the claim himself or acquired it from elsewhere.

    His SSPX has since fractured into one group which is the mainstream SSPX outfit which has made a partial reconciliation with the Vatican and the other styles itself the "SSPX Resistance" which believes that Pope Francis is the incarnation of Satan, that main problem with Hitler was a bad press, that the Holocaust didn't really happen, that climate change is a hoax and so on.

    Anyway, Marcel, take it away (from 2:00). The rest of the SSPX video can be found on this playlist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efMwONIeRl8


  • Options
    #125
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 33,874 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Splitters!

    Life ain't always empty.



  • Options
    #126
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Gerard Batten, the (current) UKIP leader, has announced that Christopher Yaxley-Lennon, alias "Tommy Robinson", is doing to advise him on "on grooming gangs and prisons":
    Batten wrote:
    I have appointed Tommy Robinson to be a personal special adviser on two subjects which he has great knowledge. It is not necessary for him to be a party member in order to assist me in this role. I am looking forward to working with him.
    Presumably Lennon was chosen for the first advice role on account of his peculiar interest in grooming children and the second, on account of his lengthy prison sentences.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/22/tommy-robinson-ukip-grooming-gangs-adviser


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #127
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,148 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    After all that work by Nigel Farage to convince people that UKIP aren't a racist party.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Options
    #128
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    robindch wrote: »
    his peculiar interest in grooming children and the second, on account of his lengthy prison sentences.
    Neither of which is actually true.
    His interest in rape gangs obviously stems from his ambition to stop them.
    His spells in prison have been reasonably short, because he has developed an expertise in extricating himself from unlawful imprisonment.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tommy-robinson-appointed-as-ukips-grooming-gangs-and-prison-reform-adviser-a3997726.html
    he will advise Mr Batten on rape gangs and prison reform. Mr Batten said the English Defence League founder had "great knowledge" about the issues.
    Robinson was jailed for 13 months for contempt of court in relation to his activities filming people involved in a grooming case.

    The sentence was later quashed and the case has been referred to the Attorney General.


  • Options
    #129
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,144 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    recedite wrote: »
    Neither of which is actually true.
    His interest in rape gangs obviously stems from his ambition to stop them.
    His spells in prison have been reasonably short, because he has developed an expertise in extricating himself from unlawful imprisonment.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tommy-robinson-appointed-as-ukips-grooming-gangs-and-prison-reform-adviser-a3997726.html


    I would call 12 months for assaulting a police officer a long prison sentence.


  • Options
    #130
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    12 months for assaulting a police officer
    If you're talking about this incident then it happened many years ago, before he developed the expertise, and public support, and the financial and legal backing that he has now.


  • Options
    #131
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,144 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    recedite wrote: »
    robindch wrote: »
    Presumably Lennon was chosen for the first advice role on account of his peculiar interest in grooming children and the second, on account of his lengthy prison sentences.



    Neither of which is actually true.
    His interest in rape gangs obviously stems from his ambition to stop them.
    His spells in prison have been reasonably short, because he has developed an expertise in extricating himself from unlawful imprisonment.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tommy-robinson-appointed-as-ukips-grooming-gangs-and-prison-reform-adviser-a3997726.html
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I would call 12 months for assaulting a police officer a long prison sentence.
    recedite wrote: »
    If you're talking about this incident then it happened many years ago, before he developed the expertise, and public support, and the financial and legal backing that he has now.


    You said neither of the things that Robdinch said was true. Whatever about the first (though his interest in child grooming only when it involves muslims is peculiar) the second was most definitely true.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #132
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    recedite wrote: »
    Neither of which is actually true.
    His interest in rape gangs obviously stems from his ambition to stop them.
    His spells in prison have been reasonably short, because he has developed an expertise in extricating himself from unlawful imprisonment.


    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/tommy-robinson-appointed-as-ukips-grooming-gangs-and-prison-reform-adviser-a3997726.html




    Most of his imprisonment seems entirely lawful. I'd suggest that rather than devolping expertise, he's instead able to afford better legal advice.


  • Options
    #133
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,148 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    recedite wrote: »
    Neither of which is actually true.
    His interest in rape gangs obviously stems from his ambition to stop them.

    Nonsense. They are his source of revenue which explains why he keeps interfering with attempts to bring them to justice.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Options
    #134
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,144 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Nonsense. They are his source of revenue which explains why he keeps interfering with attempts to bring them to justice.


    Exactly. Without them he has no grift.


  • Options
    #135
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Most of his imprisonment seems entirely lawful. I'd suggest that rather than devolping expertise, he's instead able to afford better legal advice.
    While Yaxley-Lennon seems well-able to afford excellent legal advice, his multiple trips to the slammer suggests that he's not very good at finding it.


  • Options
    #136
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    recedite wrote: »
    His interest in rape gangs obviously stems from his ambition to stop them.
    I don't recall Yaxley-Lennon saying much about - for example - the Catholic Church which, via its historical concealment of child abuse, would amount to a far larger "rape gang" than the islamic guys he seems obsessed with.

    Just a shot in the dark here, but would it be that Yaxley-Lennon is actually the racist thug he seems to be and is just whipping up fear, shite and ignorance about this one gang because this they happen to be both non-white and non-christian?


  • Options
    #137
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,144 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    robindch wrote: »
    I don't recall Yaxley-Lennon saying much about - for example - the Catholic Church which, via its historical concealment of child abuse, would amount to a far larger "rape gang" than the islamic guys he seems obsessed with.

    Just a shot in the dark here, but would it be that Yaxley-Lennon is actually the racist thug he seems to be and is just whipping up fear, shite and ignorance about this one gang because this they happen to be both non-white and non-christian?


    Or about members of his own organisation that have been jailed for similar offences.


  • Options
    #138
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    robindch wrote: »
    just whipping up fear, shite and ignorance about this one gang because this they happen to be both non-white and non-christian?
    One gang? Displaying your ignorance here.


    Also, when the Lord Chief Justice of the UK Supreme Court orders the immediate release of a prisoner and quashes the conviction, and somebody says " the imprisonment was entirely lawful" that person has very little understanding of law.


    The fact that the process of getting that kind of justice through the courts costs a lot of money is an unfortunate fact of life.


  • Options
    #139
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,144 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Perhaps this is why they consider him an expert on grooming?

    https://twitter.com/MikeStuchbery_/status/1065717001023303681


  • Options
    #140
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    recedite wrote: »
    One gang? Displaying your ignorance here.


    Also, when the Lord Chief Justice of the UK Supreme Court orders the immediate release of a prisoner and quashes the conviction, and somebody says " the imprisonment was entirely lawful" that person has very little understanding of law.


    The fact that the process of getting that kind of justice through the courts costs a lot of money is an unfortunate fact of life.
    Hey, any chance you'll go back an answer my question now you've reappeared on this thread:
    King Mob wrote: »
    And by "just like him" you mean...?
    Also Muslims?
    Or...?
    .


  • Options
    #141
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Perhaps this is why they consider him an expert on grooming?

    https://twitter.com/MikeStuchbery_/status/1065717001023303681

    I believe that's what his comrades call "nurturing dependence".


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #142
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    King Mob wrote: »
    Hey, any chance you'll go back an answer my question now you've reappeared on this thread:
    Part of the same "community" as they would call it themselves.


  • Options
    #143
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,144 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    If tommy is unsure on any part of grooming he can always look to some of his mates for advice

    https://twitter.com/edlnews/status/1065893403156774922


  • Options
    #144
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    recedite wrote: »
    Part of the same "community" as they would call it themselves.
    Sorry, could you be more specific?
    Which community are you referring to and why are you putting it in scare quotes?


  • Options
    #145
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    King Mob wrote: »
    .. scare quotes?
    They are called inverted commas.


    You should know that multi-culturalism leads to multi-tribalism, and in England nowadays they have many different "communities". For example...
    Six years previously, there had been two nights of riots between the city's black and Asian communities in nearby Lozells. A young black man, Isaiah Young-Sam, had been killed. Now, after the raid on the petrol station, some among the Asian community were openly talking of revenge.


    Of course, we only have to look a short distance to the two communities in Northern Ireland to see that these things are not just based on race or skin colour. There are a lot of factors involved. Ethnicity, religion, kinship, language, culture, closed social circles, they all play a part to some extent.
    The one thing you can be sure of is that when the chips are down, members of a specific community will tend to have each other's backs.

    There is an allegiance there, that goes beyond the allegiance to the state and/or the wider society.


  • Options
    #146
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    recedite wrote: »
    They are called inverted commas.
    They are also called scare quotes in certain circumstances.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes
    recedite wrote: »
    There is an allegiance there, that goes beyond the allegiance to the state and/or the wider society.
    So to be clear, you are accusing judges of being involved in a conspiracy letting people off and your only evidence for this is that they are of the same race/community as those people?
    Is that a correct summation?


  • Options
    #147
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    recedite wrote: »
    You should know that multi-culturalism leads to multi-tribalism, and in England nowadays they have many different "communities".

    This is why we see interculturalism often being preferred to multiculturalism in egalitarian society, with a shift away from identity politics. It is proponents of the far right that push the 'us and them' worldview which prefers to polarise opinion against specific groups based on race and religion. This is clearly evident in the remarks of Yaxley-Lennon who would seek to punish all British Muslims for the crimes of a tiny minority and echoed in the anti-Muslim sentiments expressed in this thread.


  • Options
    #148
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    King Mob wrote: »
    They are also called scare quotes in certain circumstances.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes
    Interesting woman Gertie, who first coined the term "scare quotes". A native of Limerick apparently, who studied under Wittgenstein and became an abortion clinic protestor.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._E._M._Anscombe
    King Mob wrote: »
    So to be clear, you are accusing judges of being involved in a conspiracy letting people off and your only evidence for this is that they are of the same race/community as those people?
    Is that a correct summation?
    You're always trying to trick me into saying something racist :pac:
    Maybe some day you'll succeed. But not yet.


  • Options
    #149
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    BTW I've taken your advice and given up the silly titles.
    I got as far as number 65 in the end, but yez can read the rest of them yourselves.

    Even Allah himself gave up after 99. His original title for the project was My 1000 Greatest Names.


    Interesting though, how sometimes they seemed vaguely appropriate to the posts I made, a bit like you can read stuff into a horoscope if you really want to.


  • Options
    #150
    King Mob
    Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    recedite wrote: »
    You're always trying to trick me into saying something racist :pac:
    Maybe some day you'll succeed. But not yet.
    But what you are doing is suggesting a racist conspiracy theory that certain people are being let off because they share the same race/culture/whatever with various judges etc.

    Your only is that some judges etc do share the same race/culture/whatever.
    Nothing else.

    If it isn't racist, you're going to have to stop being vague and coy and actually explain how it's not.
    Cause it really, really looks like it is.

    Also, if that the reason for the titles?
    It's a very silly reason...


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #151
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    recedite wrote: »
    Interesting though, how sometimes they seemed vaguely appropriate to the posts I made, a bit like you can read stuff into a horoscope if you really want to.

    حقًّا ؟ يا لهُ من هراء عديم الفائدة ، أليس كذلك ؟


Advertisement