Galway traffic

TwoWheeledTim · 06-08-2020 4:37pm

gordongekko wrote: »

I was asked about my calculation and i explained it. People are expanding the calculation to include county busses to suit their argument. This is the city forum hence why i didn't include them.

Your numbers vastly underestimated the number of CITY buses.

Your revised numbers still underestimated the number of city buses.

County and regional buses still use city roads and would use this bus gate, so relevant.

Using wrong low numbers for one way only on a two-way road and focusing on Sundays is twisting the alternative facts to suit your argument. Just stop digging.

06-08-2020 7:44pm

Meanwhile, Dublin City Council are moving forward with their plans for 470km inside the city showing that even in the busiest city in the country, this is possible

https://twitter.com/DubCityCouncil/status/1291301956905046020?s=20

06-08-2020 8:03pm

The impact of changing priorities in Blackrock, Dublin which saw onstreet parking removed and traffic changed to just one-way with contra flow cycle lanes added, additional space for businesses and increased pedestrian space

Imagine doing something like this in Woodquay

TwoWheeledTim · 06-08-2020 8:27pm

Wow, looks amazing. Well done Dublin.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Imagine doing something like this in Woodquay

Yes, or Salthill...

06-08-2020 9:10pm

gordongekko wrote: »

Busses will only work if they are efficient and run on time. This wont happen if they are stuck further out in traffic as car are being forced down roads that cant handle the traffic. Closing the bridge solves nothing and only adds to problems.

Actually, according to all existing evidence, the contrary is true. Traffic often just...evaporates! Believe it or not.

Here's several examples from Dublin

Traffic reduction, or “traffic evaporation”, as it is increasingly referred to, is a recognised effect of traffic-management schemes. And the point of it is that, when executed well in cities with good policies, the traffic doesn’t divert onto nearby streets, it disappears or, indeed, evaporates.

This is not conjecture or wordplay. It is based on hard evidence and the experience of other cities. And there is a reason for it.

The best way to think about traffic is that it behaves more like a gas than a liquid. That’s another way of saying the more space you give it, the more space it will take. For cities to work at all, traffic needs to be managed.

Dealing with any issue requires perspective. In all of the traffic restrictions proposed by the council, the number of cars involved is very low. The M50 carries 12,000 vehicles per hour at its peak. But on the Liffey quays there are fewer than 500 cars per hour heading inbound.

Importantly, there are 120 buses per hour going inbound on the quays too. Those buses can take up to 10,000 people into the city. Therefore it is a false economy to argue for increased priority for cars.

There's been many, many studies done on it all over the world

Mrs OBumble · 06-08-2020 10:49pm

timmyntc wrote: »

Would cause havoc for all the county/private buses - can't imagine all of them bangers of buses being upgraded to work with the rectractable bollards.

Bus Eireann's regional fleet are banger-esque. But the private buses generally are not. With the exception of school buses, which are the worst of the worst - not sure how many of them go across SW bridge, though.

Mrs OBumble · 06-08-2020 10:59pm

TwoWheeledTim wrote: »

Wow, looks amazing. Well done Dublin.

Yes, or Salthill...

Looks lovely at first sight. And it's great because it retains a mix of modes: I'd make the parking about 50% short stay (10 mins) and 50% disability-badge.

But can you imagine the tailback along Lower Salthill as people try to turn right beside Seapoint? And what it would do to bus-timetables!

The cycle-lane needs to be grade-separated (at least) from the footpath.

The cycle parking should be right beside the cycle-lane, not across on the other side of the footpath - that's just setting cyclists and pedestrians up for conflicts.

Even without the parking the pedestrian crossing across the cycle path would be lethal. Visitors and innocents would likely assume that cyclists would stop. Crunch.

The footpath itself needs to lose the grey splodges and also the small round rocks - both a nightmare the for anyone who is visually impaired.

what_traffic · 07-08-2020 9:20am

TwoWheeledTim wrote: »

Is that a traffic light controlled T-JUNCTION?

what_traffic · 07-08-2020 9:32am

Deleted User wrote: »

The impact of changing priorities in Blackrock, Dublin which saw onstreet parking removed and traffic changed to just one-way with contra flow cycle lanes added, additional space for businesses and increased pedestrian space

DLR have a "Senior Architect"; Galway City never got a person to fill the City Arcitect position when Rosie Webb left(close to a decade ago now) for a position in the UL School of Architecture.
Back in 2015 UL School of Architecture was involved in this project in Woodquay
https://wikifactory.cn/@ger/galway-city-bench?fragment=history

https://www.archdaily.com/794566/the-best-student-design-build-projects-worldwide-2016/57cabb05e58ececab700009f-the-best-student-design-build-projects-worldwide-2016-image?next_project=no

TwoWheeledTim · 07-08-2020 9:34am

what_traffic wrote: »

Is that a traffic light controlled T-JUNCTION?

Looks like it. It's more of an artistic rendering if a reimagined public space. I wouldn't get too caught up on the details as they would need to be figured out in accordance with the design manual and standards.

Patrick McCabe, Architects: ''The overall goal is to make Salthill one of the best and most attractive places to live in Ireland”

McGiver · 08-08-2020 12:09pm

While most cities in Europe evolve into liveable spaces and progress, Galwegians are arguing amongst themselves trying to find yet another reason to add to the long list of "why it can't be done in Galway".

Whereisgalway · 08-08-2020 2:41pm

McGiver wrote: »

While most cities in Europe evolve into liveable spaces and progress, Galwegians are arguing amongst themselves trying to find yet another reason to add to the long list of "why it can't be done in Galway".

Galway is a large town

ben.schlomo · 08-08-2020 11:57pm

https://www.galwaydaily.com/news/transport/public-consultation-on-city-bus-corridor-proposal-welcomed/

A broad welcome from the Chamber for the bus corridor proposal.

TwoWheeledTim · 09-08-2020 10:57pm

Check out this new roundabout in Cambridge that gives pedestrians and cyclists priority. Really interesting idea... but looks potentially lethal!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K20Ol8MGinI

McGiver · 10-08-2020 12:42am

ben.schlomo wrote: »

https://www.galwaydaily.com/news/transport/public-consultation-on-city-bus-corridor-proposal-welcomed/

A broad welcome from the Chamber for the bus corridor proposal.

In not sure I follow - there's already a bus lane on the Dublin Road, albeit only in one direction (inbound).

Does it mean it will be put in the outbound direction as well and extended from Bon Secours to Moneenageisha?

what_traffic · 10-08-2020 8:33am

McGiver wrote: »

In not sure I follow - there's already a bus lane on the Dublin Road, albeit only in one direction (inbound).

Does it mean it will be put in the outbound direction as well and extended from Bon Secours to Moneenageisha?

100% project is for Outbound section from GMIT to the Martin Roundabout(Galway Clinic).
Not so sure about inbound from Bon Secours to Moneenageisha? Its implied in the article, needed for sure, would be great if it would also be included in this consultation.

McGiver · 11-08-2020 12:33am

what_traffic wrote: »

100% project is for Outbound section from GMIT to the Martin Roundabout(Galway Clinic).
Not so sure about inbound from Bon Secours to Moneenageisha? Its implied in the article, needed for sure, would be great if it would also be included in this consultation.

So basically it's just a completion of the existing bus lane system between Doughiska and GMIT by adding the outbound direction to it. That's what it makes it a proper bus lane system - it must be in place for both directions not just one.

If you've been to Oxford (which is a good example of a similarly sized city with P&Rs, cycle and bus lanes and pedestrianised centre), you would find all bus lanes there in both directions. Doesn't really make sense to put a bus lane only in one hour direction, I think that's a Galway specialty

Mrs OBumble · 11-08-2020 1:49am

McGiver wrote: »

So basically it's just a completion of the existing bus lane system between Doughiska and GMIT by adding the outbound direction to it. That's what it makes it a proper bus lane system - it must be in place for both directions not just one.

If you've been to Oxford (which is a good example of a similarly sized city with P&Rs, cycle and bus lanes and pedestrianised centre), you would find all bus lanes there in both directions. Doesn't really make sense to put a bus lane only in one hour direction, I think that's a Galway specialty

Can you tell us the names of streets in Oxford city centre which are pedestrianised? I'd like to take a closer look at them n Mas.

McGiver · 11-08-2020 2:45am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Can you tell us the names of streets in Oxford city centre which are pedestrianised? I'd like to take a closer look at them n Mas.

Are from Oxford? I lived in Oxford catchment area...

McGiver · 11-08-2020 3:04am

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Can you tell us the names of streets in Oxford city centre which are pedestrianised? I'd like to take a closer look at them n Mas.

This addresses all your concerns including your usual "how will the residents get car access in pedestrianised areas".

https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/sites/default/files/file/roads-and-transport-connecting-oxfordshire/ZEZ_update_Jan2020.pdf

what_traffic · 11-08-2020 10:23am

McGiver wrote: »

If you've been to Oxford (which is a good example of a similarly sized city with P&Rs, cycle and bus lanes and pedestrianised centre), you would find all bus lanes there in both directions. Doesn't really make sense to put a bus lane only in one hour direction, I think that's a Galway specialty

No never visited Oxford, Manchester only UK city I know well. Far more familar with smaller Germany Citys like Bremen, Heidelberg, Friburg am Brisgau. All have great tram systems but population densitys to match. UK Citys like Oxford or York are more in tune to what Galway or other Irish Citys need to do alright as we tend to follow UK with regards town planning etc.

A Galway City Roads Engineering speciality at that. Is the SQR/BOD the only one that has bus lanes either side? Interesting that the Galway City Roads Engineer back in the 00's did not even want to put Bus Lanes on the SQR/BOD - the Cllrs voted it in to force them to do it.

Pinch Flat · 11-08-2020 10:49am

McGiver wrote: »

This addresses all your concerns including your usual "how will the residents get car access in pedestrianised areas".

https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/sites/default/files/file/roads-and-transport-connecting-oxfordshire/ZEZ_update_Jan2020.pdf

Yeah been to Oxford. Arrived by car - you're not allowed take a car anywhere near the city centre. Very efficient park and ride and a pleasant city centre that's not choked with cars. It's a good model for how galway and other irish towns and cities could operate.

Paddico · 11-08-2020 1:34pm

TwoWheeledTim wrote: »

Wow, looks amazing. Well done Dublin.

Yes, or Salthill...

I was actually thinking, nice layout but what hole of a town in Ireland is that.

Didnt recognise it for a second but Salthill is still seriously tacky after all these years

at1withmyself · 11-08-2020 10:27pm

Paddico wrote: »

I was actually thinking, nice layout but what hole of a town in Ireland is that.

Didnt recognise it for a second but Salthill is still seriously tacky after all these years

Eh, would you mind pointing out exactly what you find tacky from that picture and what they're doing wrong that makes it so tacky?

Mrs OBumble · 11-08-2020 11:32pm

McGiver wrote: »

This addresses all your concerns including your usual "how will the residents get car access in pedestrianised areas".

https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/sites/default/files/file/roads-and-transport-connecting-oxfordshire/ZEZ_update_Jan2020.pdf

So you are saying that the Oxford pedestrianisation is just the few streets shown in red in the map below. Pretty much equivalent to the amounts of Shop / High / Quay Streets / Eyre Square west / Rosemary Ave which are done here already???

McGiver · 12-08-2020 1:14am

Mrs OBumble wrote:

So you are saying that the Oxford pedestrianisation is just the few streets shown in red in the map below. Pretty much equivalent to the amounts of Shop / High / Quay Streets / Eyre Square west / Rosemary Ave which are done here already???

The scale is different. Have you been there? The pedestrian zone is much larger there.

cooperguy · 12-08-2020 10:53pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

So you are saying that the Oxford pedestrianisation is just the few streets shown in red in the map below. Pretty much equivalent to the amounts of Shop / High / Quay Streets / Eyre Square west / Rosemary Ave which are done here already???

St. Michaels and Ship st. is the same sort of distance as the distance between Jurys hotel and Eglington street in Galway

16-08-2020 12:26am

City officials to present final plans for cross-city Bus Connect project in September

https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/city-officials-to-present-final-plans-for-cross-city-bus-connect-project-in-september/

Galway city councillors will be presented with the final plans for a new cross-city Bus Connect project next month.

The proposal includes a bus priority route, with cross city links from University Road to the Dublin Road and from University Road to Browne Roundabout behind UHG.

The project would include a bus priority route, with cross city links from University Road to the Dublin Road and from University Road to the Browne Roundabout behind UHG.

An inner city access route from Lough Atalia to the Headford Road, and an orbital access network around the city centre are also included.

A corridor linking the western and eastern suburbs of the city would contain high-quality footpaths, pedestrian crossings, segregated cycle facilities, and priority for public transport.

Under the plans, car traffic which does not have a specific destination in the city centre would no longer travel into the medieval core of the city.

Meanwhile, the cross-city link would support new public transport routes in the city, so that more homes, schools and businesses are within 10 minutes walk of a high-frequency bus service.

The first section of plans was presented to the city council last month, with the remainder to be unveiled at the September plenary meeting.

Johnny_BravoIII · 16-08-2020 11:15am

The closure of cross street in recent weeks has clearly worked. Middle street, St Augustine St, Abbeygate St, Woodquay, Ravens Terrace, the west end area from St Dominicks Street to Massimos should be looked at.

It would radically change the city as a destination experience post Covid if we built infrastructure to faciliate outside street dining.

16-08-2020 12:19pm

Johnny_BravoIII wrote: »

The closure of cross street in recent weeks has clearly worked. Middle street, St Augustine St, Abbeygate St, Woodquay, Ravens Terrace, the west end area from St Dominicks Street to Massimos should be looked at.

It would radically change the city as a destination experience post Covid if we built infrastructure to faciliate outside street dining.

B-b-but rain

Outdoor dining is not physically possible due to the wind and rain. There is literally no solution available that can combat against it.... None at all..... Hasn't been invented...... Will never exist

Sorey, have to keep the car access

Galway traffic

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