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22-04-2020, 15:21   #16
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Yeah, that's a big reason I hate the Catholic church so much, obviously along with it's abuse of children & women in Ireland, but also leading clergy were big supporters of Fascist & Phalangist movements in Europe in the 1930's & 40's, and in South America in the 1960's & 70's.

Obviously Mussolini's regime in Italy but also for other Fascist movments in Europe like the Ustase regime in the Independent State of Croatia which was infamously brutal, having special Concentration camps for children were forced conversion to Catholicism took place. I'm not saying these clergy were Fascists (I mean they might have been I don't know) but like with Franco, they helped to legitamize these Fascist regimes & gave them a certain amount of respect in society.
No 1 you shouldn't hate anybody. That's a rabbit hole thats not worth going down. And at the end of the day Franco winning was better than the alternative. Similarly in Ireland the Blueshirts as an organisation were keeping Communism in check and promoting conservative values. And communism was kept down. We could do with a Blueshirt revival today.
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No 1 you shouldn't hate anybody. That's a rabbit hole thats not worth going down. And at the end of the day Franco winning was better than the alternative. Similarly in Ireland the Blueshirts as an organisation were keeping Communism in check and promoting conservative values. And communism was kept down. We could do with a Blueshirt revival today.
Without Franco helping the plotters to rebel against the democratically elected government there would might have been no large war in the first place, sparing many hundreds of thousands of lives, not to mention the 100-200,000 he had killed in the White Terror
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No 1 you shouldn't hate anybody. That's a rabbit hole thats not worth going down. And at the end of the day Franco winning was better than the alternative. Similarly in Ireland the Blueshirts as an organisation were keeping Communism in check and promoting conservative values. And communism was kept down. We could do with a Blueshirt revival today.
A very odd take. The Blueshirts were a singularly ineffective organisation. It's very hard to point to anything at all that they acheived, either good or bad.
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23-04-2020, 11:14   #19
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No 1 you shouldn't hate anybody. That's a rabbit hole thats not worth going down. And at the end of the day Franco winning was better than the alternative. Similarly in Ireland the Blueshirts as an organisation were keeping Communism in check and promoting conservative values. And communism was kept down. We could do with a Blueshirt revival today.
Take off the rose coloured glasses, there's a good chap and stop trolling.
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No 1 you shouldn't hate anybody. That's a rabbit hole thats not worth going down. And at the end of the day Franco winning was better than the alternative. Similarly in Ireland the Blueshirts as an organisation were keeping Communism in check and promoting conservative values. And communism was kept down. We could do with a Blueshirt revival today.
The people, in the main controlled by the RCC could keep down 'godless communism', together with business interests and sucessive governments who have always cosied up to the United States, and could have done so more successfully than a minority bunch of men who liked playing dress up and marching.

It's curious that there are a few memorials to Irish who fought on the Republican side of the Spanish CW here and just one iirc for those who fought on the opposing side, the Republicans are more fondly remembered in song and lore.
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There was supposed to be a book launched about local history and there were objections raised about 'dragging up that s**te again'.
I think it's a shame that this thinking still exists, people need to stop hiding this and presenting a false narrative.

It's almost insignificant compared to what the Spanish have been and still are coming to terms with; we don't have the thousands of killings and mass graves yet to be discovered that they had.
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Up the Blueshirts
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No 1 you shouldn't hate anybody. That's a rabbit hole thats not worth going down. And at the end of the day Franco winning was better than the alternative. Similarly in Ireland the Blueshirts as an organisation were keeping Communism in check and promoting conservative values. And communism was kept down. We could do with a Blueshirt revival today.
The alternative of the democratic Spanish Republic reclaiming power? Em, no it wasn't a better alternative. About 6,000 Jews would agree with me.

Are you also of the opinion Fascist Dictator Pinochet's bloody coup & tortorus aftermath was a better alternative to the Social Democratic President Chile already had?

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