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Why do so many people want to devoid life of a spiritual meaning

  • 29-05-2020 1:28am
    #1
    completedit
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    The religion of science in the hands of those not smart enough to truly understand it is every bit as scary as anything that has come before it.


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  • #2
    MrStuffins
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    Because it's mostly wishy-washy b*llocks.


  • #3
    completedit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    We should leave space as part of the human experience for such thoughts. But should be separated from the state but has to be done in a way that connects kids to the spiritual past and our inherent wonder that science doesn't explain and shouldn't attempt to invade.


  • #4
    Collie D
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    I don’t want to devoid life of it.

    Other people can do what they want once they’re not hurting anyone or pushing it in my face.

    Apart from that I’m just not bothered. Not to be confused with being anti.


  • #5
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    completedit wrote: »
    We should leave space as part of the human experience for such thoughts. But should be separated from the state but has to be done in a way that connects kids to the spiritual past and our inherent wonder that science doesn't explain and shouldn't attempt to invade.

    But why shouldn't science "invade" something it can't explain yet?

    Everything that science can explain was at one point NOT explained before "invasion". Sounds like you want to believe in spiritual stuff and don't want science ruining your fun with, you know, the truth?

    "Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins the movie by telling you how it ends. Well, I say there are some things we don't want to know. Important things!"


  • #6
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    Because if you're not with them you're against them.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHUaNAxsTg


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  • #7
    jobeenfitz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭jobeenfitz


    completedit wrote: »
    The religion of science in the hands of those not smart enough to truly understand it is every bit as scary as anything that has come before it.

    Why do you call it "the religion of science"?


  • #8
    snoopboggybog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    If it gives people a sense of peace and hapiness and social interaction with mass then nothing against it

    Some people though take it far to serious in the sense that its terribly bad for their mental health.


  • #9
    Ipso
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    jobeenfitz wrote: »
    Why do you call it "the religion of science"?

    It’s an attempt to discredit science bu trying to imply it’s not evidence based.


  • #10
    Arghus
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    I remember my first joint OP.


  • #11
    johnnyskeleton
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    completedit wrote: »
    The religion of science in the hands of those not smart enough to truly understand it is every bit as scary as anything that has come before it.

    Science isnt a religion or set of beliefs its a method of acquiring reliable knowledge


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  • #12
    [Deleted User]
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    johnnyskeleton wrote: »
    Science isnt a religion or set of beliefs its a method of acquiring reliable knowledge

    Thats what they want you to believe.

    I mean, what has science ever done for us, eh?


  • #13
    mistress_gi
    Registered Users Posts: 963 ✭✭✭mistress_gi


    Because all of the spiritual beliefs that i know of come with a condition, nothing is ever free in the spiritual world.
    I am also a big believer that spirituality robs the human condition of the simple intricacies of living without that support blanket.
    I think it makes us less, it also takes responsibility away from the believers, they can use spiritual belief to justify anything and avoid responsibility.


  • #14
    One eyed Jack
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    Ipso wrote: »
    It’s an attempt to discredit science bu trying to imply it’s not evidence based.


    I don’t think it’s an attempt to discredit scientific inquiry at all, but rather to point out the reality of the existence of politics in science. A good example is the idea of male and female brains, or claims that allude to humans having the ability to change their sex, that sort of thing. In the wrong hands that sort of knowledge is dangerous, as the evidence for it is based upon consensus and ideology as opposed to observation.


    EDIT: I don’t agree with the premise of the opening posters thread title either. From observations done we know the opposite - that there really aren’t that many people in the world who want to devoid life of a spiritual meaning, only a mere handful by comparison to those people who claim that life has some spiritual meaning.


  • #15
    Fr_Dougal
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    completedit wrote: »
    The religion of science in the hands of those not smart enough to truly understand it is every bit as scary as anything that has come before it.

    That would be an ecumenical matter.


  • #16
    Conor Bourke
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    mistress_gi wrote: »
    Because all of the spiritual beliefs that i know of come with a condition, nothing is ever free in the spiritual world.
    I am also a big believer that spirituality robs the human condition of the simple intricacies of living without that support blanket.
    I think it makes us less, it also takes responsibility away from the believers, they can use spiritual belief to justify anything and avoid responsibility.

    Spirituality is not always synonymous with religious faith, though faith can comprise a part of one’s spirituality.


  • #17
    [Deleted User]
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    Ipso wrote: »
    It’s an attempt to discredit science bu trying to imply it’s not evidence based.

    It's not always an attempt to discredit science, but rather to highlight the lack of automatic acceptance that many people have regarding science.

    Science is based on a set of experiments which can be repeated and verified, but the explanations/theories are sometimes based on assumptions, or the perception of the those involved. Which can be discredited later by someone else, or some new piece of technology. The religion can be the reference to the hostility many supporters of science have for those who don't fully/immediately accept science as an absolute.... and there are many people out there like that.

    [wiki] "Scientific theories are testable and make falsifiable predictions.[1] Thus, it is a mark of good science if a discipline has a growing list of superseded theories, and conversely, a lack of superseded theories can indicate problems in following the use of the scientific method."

    Anyway, for many people, science has little actual importance. Just like spirituality, it's something that can be ignored as you focus on your life.


  • #18
    Feisar
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    It's not that I want a life devoid of any spiritual meaning, it's more that life is devoid of spiritual meaning, be that God, Gaia or whatever brand of mumbo jumbo yer having.

    I've started reading about the timeline of religion on the back of this thread, interesting that going way back there seems to be something in us that wants there to be more to life:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_religion#Prehistory

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #19
    Church on Tuesday
    Registered Users Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    completedit wrote: »
    We should leave space as part of the human experience for such thoughts. But should be separated from the state but has to be done in a way that connects kids to the spiritual past and our inherent wonder that science doesn't explain and shouldn't attempt to invade.

    What? :confused:


  • #20
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    For what it’s worth I go to mass every Saturday night in local church ( not during covid at present ) and perhaps it’s a habit but we all go wife and children and I find it beneficial for me . Sit down for 40 minutes, say a few payers , meet some neighbours and go away about your business for another week with something engrained in the back of your head to try and be nice to those you interact with and be kind , hardly a bad thing . I definitely feel part of a community meeting others there every week and whilst we’re all not perfect we try and do our best together .

    Maybe I’ve been fortunate but any priest I came across were all good men building local halls , helping the sick etc etc and a couple of them were very good in the UK to uncles of mine that fell on very hard times .


  • #21
    the beer revolu
    Registered Users Posts: 16,731 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    For what it’s worth I go to mass every Saturday night in local church ( not during covid at present ) and perhaps it’s a habit but we all go wife and children and I find it beneficial for me . Sit down for 40 minutes, say a few payers , meet some neighbours and go away about your business for another week with something engrained in the back of your head to try and be nice to those you interact with and be kind , hardly a bad thing . I definitely feel part of a community meeting others there every week and whilst we’re all not perfect we try and do our best together .

    Maybe I’ve been fortunate but any priest I came across were all good men building local halls , helping the sick etc etc and a couple of them were very good in the UK to uncles of mine that fell on very hard times .

    That's all lovely for you and your family.
    What's your point, though? That it should be forced on all of us? I'm sure that's not the point you are making but I have no idea what your point is.


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    [Deleted User]
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    jobeenfitz wrote: »
    Why do you call it "the religion of science"?

    Because he is one of the ones who as he himself said do not " truly understand it " I would warrant. :)

    I am not as scared of the word spiritual as many people can be though. I think one can be very "spiritual" without subscribing to evidence devoid nonsense. But all too often religion has been the only game in town talking about such things. So there is a certain level of conflation that goes on.


  • #23
    Signore Fancy Pants
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    Religion has done more harm than good over the centuries.

    Also, anyone who actually believes there's a man in the sky judging us...well...needs help from a man/woman on Earth.


  • #24
    Woke Hogan
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    I’m totally areligious but that being said I acknowledge that pretty much every known society and culture throughout history has had some sort of tradition of believing in a higher power. Therefore I would define it to be as much a part of the human condition as enjoying music or any kind of storytelling.

    That’s why I always laugh at the sneering fat internet atheists you see on websites such as this. Declaring themselves to be “people of science” despite the fact that their own scientific nous extends only as far as what a pop scientist like Brian Cox told them in some podcast for arseholes.

    The kind of people who pride themselves on trusting “facts” and “logic” but who also ignore their doctors warnings about controlling their blood sugar by eating two kilos of sugar every weekend.


  • #25
    dots03
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    Woke Hogan wrote: »

    The kind of people who pride themselves on trusting “facts” and “logic” but who also ignore their doctors warnings about controlling their blood sugar by eating two kilos of sugar every weekend.

    Science doesn't tell you not to eat two kilos of Sugar every weekend.

    Science does tell you that if you do eat two kilos of sugar every weekend, it will be very, very bad for you.

    The fact and logic behind this stands up regardless of you following this advice or not


  • #26
    biko
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    Maybe the most loaded OP in weeks, well done!


  • #27
    MrStuffins
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    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    That’s why I always laugh at the sneering fat internet atheists you see on websites such as this.

    Good to see that you've managed to avoid sneering at other people on websites such as this. Congratulations!


  • #28
    JohnnyFlash
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    Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »
    Religion has done more harm than good over the centuries.

    Also, anyone who actually believes there's a man in the sky judging us...well...needs help from a man/woman on Earth.


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  • #29
    AlphabetCards
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    completedit wrote: »
    The religion of science in the hands of those not smart enough to truly understand it is every bit as scary as anything that has come before it.

    Can't agree more.

    Currently we are praising the destruction of the solar, the beautiful salt flats, in order to bring more lithium to the surface. Every bit as stupid as oil.


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
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    completedit wrote: »
    The religion of science in the hands of those not smart enough to truly understand it is every bit as scary as anything that has come before it.

    I'm not particularly anti-religion or anti-theist, but that is a nonsense statement. There is no religion of science.

    Religion requires faith. Science requires evidence.


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  • #31
    Dravokivich
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    Candie wrote: »
    I'm not particularly anti-religion or anti-theist, but that is a nonsense statement. There is no religion of science.

    Religion requires faith. Science requires evidence.

    And the absence of evidence is usually filed under god. It's a bit odd to think a lack of religion means putting all your chips in science.


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