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  • #842
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,768 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I think the hardline tories truly believe the EU will blink at the last moment and seem unwilling or unable to see the EU holds all the cards.

    The last moment has been and passed Rob, the British blinked and extended. The position of the EU remains: 'Whenever you are ready guys'.


  • #843
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,768 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Does not look like it, 11 of the 18 MPs there are unionist last time I looked?

    The last election of relevance saw the voters of the north state categorically that they wished to remain in the EU - they elected two MEPS to one against that idea.


  • #844
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The last moment has been and passed Rob, the British blinked and extended. The position of the EU remains: 'Whenever you are ready guys'.

    Only difference now is boris Johnson will leave without a deal imo-I hope something dramatic happens to stop brexit but it doesn't look likely.


  • #845
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,768 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Only difference now is boris Johnson will leave without a deal imo-I hope something dramatic happens to stop brexit but it doesn't look likely.

    Boris may leave (not convinced he is going to get the job yet...Gove has a bit of fight/dirt left yet, I fancy)without a deal...but what Bexiteers have yet to realise is that Britain NEEDS a deal with the EU so he will have to negotiate one at some point. If he wants to do that with cap in hand, why would we in the EU worry about that?


  • #846
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Boris may leave (not convinced he is going to get the job yet...Gove has a bit of fight/dirt left yet, I fancy)without a deal...but what Bexiteers have yet to realise is that Britain NEEDS a deal with the EU so he will have to negotiate one at some point. If he wants to do that with cap in hand, why would we in the EU worry about that?
    I agree that the EU has the upper hand but boris and co are deluded-I hope the UK revokes art 50 as leaving without an agreement is madness-not sure the EU has nothing to worry about though as it will effect them too.


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  • #847
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,768 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I agree that the EU has the upper hand but boris and co are deluded-I hope the UK revokes art 50 as leaving without an agreement is madness-not sure the EU has nothing to worry about though as it will effect them too.

    An 'effect' that it is recoverable from. Something else Brexiteers don't grasp, there will be an effect that the UK may never recover from if it survives at all.


  • #848
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    I think the hardline tories truly believe the EU will blink at the last moment and seem unwilling or unable to see the EU holds all the cards.

    I disagree with your previous assertion that there aren't really Irish politicians that see the working class as "lesser" people but I do wish the Tory party wasn't led by so much toffs. They're generally out of touch with the real world.


  • #849
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I disagree with your previous assertion that there aren't really Irish politicians that see the working class as "lesser" people but I do wish the Tory party wasn't led by so much toffs. They're generally out of touch with the real world.

    People like our Taoiseach and Tanaiste went to private schools here (in the UK they are called public schools). By contrast. Not all Tories went to fee paying schools, for example Michael Gove. Who is out of touch with the real world did you say?


  • #850
    [Deleted User]
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I disagree with your previous assertion that there aren't really Irish politicians that see the working class as "lesser" people but I do wish the Tory party wasn't led by so much toffs. They're generally out of touch with the real world.

    Quite true, SE. But they're not selling the real world to their supporters; they're selling an imagined England, and that has an incredible pull for people who sense power has gone away from them. As such, these merchants of nostalgia, replete with RP accents, are perfect for that job. And not much else.


  • #851
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    janfebmar wrote: »
    People like our Taoiseach and Tanaiste went to private schools here (in the UK they are called public schools). By contrast. Not all Tories went to fee paying schools, for example Michael Gove. Who is out of touch with the real world did you say?

    Most of the Tories are out of touch with the real world J. Our leaders have their problems but they're not taking us out of the biggest single market in the world.


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  • #852
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    janfebmar wrote: »
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I disagree with your previous assertion that there aren't really Irish politicians that see the working class as "lesser" people but I do wish the Tory party wasn't led by so much toffs. They're generally out of touch with the real world.

    People like our Taoiseach and Tanaiste went to private schools here (in the UK they are called public schools). By contrast. Not all Tories went to fee paying schools, for example Michael Gove. Who is out of touch with the real world did you say?
    Michael Gove


  • #853
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Most of the Tories are out of touch with the real world J. Our leaders have their problems but they're not taking us out of the biggest single market in the world.

    It might be the biggest single market in the world, but for many years it has been the slowest growing market in the world, with big financial problems, with an unemployment rate double that of the UK, for example. You complain about the Tory party being led by "toffs", according to you, but yet the likes of Michael Gove went to an ordinary state school, unlike both our Taoiseach and Tanaiste who went to fee paying schools here.


  • #854
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Most of the Tories are out of touch with the real world J. Our leaders have their problems but they're not taking us out of the biggest single market in the world.

    Most politicians are out of touch with the real world, be they British, Irish or Eu.


  • #855
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Anyone know what the bird population is on Rockall ?


  • #856
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Aegir wrote: »
    Most politicians are out of touch with the real world, be they British, Irish or Eu.

    Half of the Tory party were educated in private schools. A lot of the Tory half-wits pushing for a hard Brexit thought Britain 'held all the cards' while many more see Brexit as an opportunity to dismantle the public services/infrastructure built up over generations.

    You favour sneering over the fence at us while your own house is being trashed by its inhabitants. Keep up the good work.


  • #857
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    You favour sneering over the fence at us while your own house is being trashed by its inhabitants.

    You think Veradkar and Coveney are sneering over the fence at the British because they Veradkar and Coveney went to fee paying schools? Maybe they would be thrashing the house as you call it through our housing crises, our two-tier economy, soaring debt ( one of the highest government borrowings per capita in the world) etc no matter what school they went to? Maybe the other crowd who could be in government could be thrashing the house to a greater extent? Maybe Leo did sneer at the British a bit when he reacted to the comments from the EU about a special place being reserved in hell for those who advocated Brexit, and the 18 million people who voted for it by implication. I do not favour Leo sneering at anyone.


  • #858
    [Deleted User]
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    Half of the Tory party were educated in private schools. A lot of the Tory half-wits pushing for a hard Brexit thought Britain 'held all the cards' while many more see Brexit as an opportunity to dismantle the public services/infrastructure built up over generations.

    You favour sneering over the fence at us while your own house is being trashed by its inhabitants. Keep up the good work.

    You’re the perpetual sneerer Tom. I’m just pointing out that the majority of politicians are out of touch with reality.

    Your simple explanation of Brezit is typical to be honest. If it is being done to dismantle the public services, why is the arch socialist and champion of the propel (privately educated) Jeremy Corbyn so in favour of it?

    Why is it that the Anti Austerity Alliance opted to take a Brexit position in the referendum? And why have Sinn Fein campaigned against every eu referendum to date?


  • #859
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Aegir wrote: »
    And why have Sinn Fein campaigned against every eu referendum to date?

    Indeed most people who have listened to Sinn Féin's anti-EU rhetoric since the seventies knows where they stand on the European project - I seem to remember it being said in the early seventies it was Republicans who did not want Ireland joining the EEC, because the British were joining it!

    According to the Independent lately: "Nigel Farage's Brexit Party is using video clips of Mary Lou McDonald as part of its campaign to undermine the European Union.

    The party's YouTube page features a montage including a variety of contributions made by the Sinn Féin leader during her time as a member of the European Parliament.

    The video dates from 2008 when the Lisbon Treaty was being debated ahead of the first referendum, when it was rejected by Irish voters.

    Ms McDonald, who now describes her party as "Euro critical" rather than Eurosceptical, said the treaty was a "carte blanche for further erosion of democracy".

    "It gives powerful EU institutions a free hand to further militarise our union."

    She also claimed the EU Commission was "actively colluding to suppress information".

    Although Sinn Féin is against the UK leaving the union, the party has opposed every EU referendum since Ireland joined the union in 1973.

    Ms McDonald was the party's MEP for Dublin from 2004 until 2009.    "

    Now Sinn Fein is pro-EU, seeing as the era of EEC / EU handouts to Ireland has finished and we are expected to be net contributors to the EU project, and as the era of an EU army draws nearer. You could not make it up.


  • #860
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Aegir wrote: »
    You’re the perpetual sneerer Tom. I’m just pointing out that the majority of politicians are out of touch with reality.

    That's called whataboutism.
    Your simple explanation of Brezit is typical to be honest.

    I didn't say it was comprehensive.
    If it is being done to dismantle the public services

    I'm saying there are Tories who see Brexit as an opportunity to hollow out Britain's public services/infrastructure. I don't think they'll achieve it unless they can engineer a crash-out and then goodness knows what happens.
    why is the arch socialist and champion of the propel (privately educated) Jeremy Corbyn so in favour of it?

    Corbyn and his crowd have always viewed the EU as a neoliberal pro-capitalist club. Corbyn also sees an opportunity to save Britain from the economic disaster the Tories are concocting by enacting his socialist agenda. He also wants to retain the percentage of their electorate who are pro-Brexit.
    Why is it that the Anti Austerity Alliance opted to take a Brexit position in the referendum?

    The guys in the north? What have they got to do with Brexit Britain? Regardless, the same reasons as Corbyn - the EU is a neoliberal club to them.
    And why have Sinn Fein campaigned against every eu referendum to date?

    SF have an element of the anti-neoliberal club in them (at least they did at one stage) combined with an obsession with neutrality and opposing EU integration. SF have moved inexorably to the centre-left. The principle reason SF are now ostensibly pro-EU is because EU membership is quietly stitching Ireland together economically and socially.


  • #861
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The principle reason SF are now ostensibly pro-EU is because EU membership is quietly stitching Ireland together economically and socially.

    Rubbish. Sales from Northern Ireland to Britain were worth nearly four times the value of exports to the Republic of Ireland in 2016. Only 1% of Irish exports go to Northern Ireland. There was a time when some northern students came down to study in our universities etc, now if they leave N. Ireland they go to Britain. And you claim the EU is "stitching Ireland together economically and socially":rolleyes:
    Think up another excuse for Sinn Feins u turn, from anti EU to pro EU.

    Maybe we buy their secondhand cars because they can afford new ones and we can only afford their (British + Northern Irish) second hand cars because of high taxation of vehicles in this state, maybe that is what you mean by the EU knitting us together again? Good man Tom, dig yourself in to a hole yet again.


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  • #862
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users Posts: 4,421 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    My business is registered at Rockall.


  • #863
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    janfebmar wrote: »
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    janfebmar wrote: »
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  • #864
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    482847.jpeg

    That's because you were caught out yet again.:)


  • #865
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Most of the Tories are out of touch with the real world J. Our leaders have their problems but they're not taking us out of the biggest single market in the world.
    I wonder how many of ours are on the White Powder ; unsupervised of course !


  • #866
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Indeed most people who have listened to Sinn Féin's anti-EU rhetoric since the seventies knows where they stand on the European project - I seem to remember it being said in the early seventies it was Republicans who did not want Ireland joining the EEC, because the British were joining it!

    According to the Independent lately: "Nigel Farage's Brexit Party is using video clips of Mary Lou McDonald as part of its campaign to undermine the European Union.

    The party's YouTube page features a montage including a variety of contributions made by the Sinn Féin leader during her time as a member of the European Parliament.

    The video dates from 2008 when the Lisbon Treaty was being debated ahead of the first referendum, when it was rejected by Irish voters.

    Ms McDonald, who now describes her party as "Euro critical" rather than Eurosceptical, said the treaty was a "carte blanche for further erosion of democracy".

    "It gives powerful EU institutions a free hand to further militarise our union."

    She also claimed the EU Commission was "actively colluding to suppress information".

    Although Sinn Féin is against the UK leaving the union, the party has opposed every EU referendum since Ireland joined the union in 1973.

    Ms McDonald was the party's MEP for Dublin from 2004 until 2009.    "

    Now Sinn Fein is pro-EU, seeing as the era of EEC / EU handouts to Ireland has finished and we are expected to be net contributors to the EU project, and as the era of an EU army draws nearer. You could not make it up.
    The voters are making their judgment of Sinn Fein . They are all over the place and at odds with their potential voters on so many policies .


  • #867
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,768 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    janfebmar wrote: »
    Think up another excuse for Sinn Feins u turn, from anti EU to pro EU.

    Far as I know SF have and still are EU Skeptic. They believe we should be a part of it but are skeptical about any further increase in powers.

    It's a similar position to a lot of EU members, particularly smaller members.


  • #868
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Far as I know SF have and still are EU Skeptic. They believe we should be a part of it but are skeptical about any further increase in powers.

    It's a similar position to a lot of EU members, particularly smaller members.
    How come they never try this reform from the inside in Westminster;)

    But they think they will reform the Eu from the inside;)

    They are pulling our leg and it looks from the recent elections that the Voters are not falling for it anymore .:P


  • #869
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,768 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blinding wrote: »
    How come they never try this reform from the inside in Westminster;)

    But they think they will reform the Eu from the inside;)

    They are pulling our leg and it looks from the recent elections that the Voters are not falling for it anymore .:P

    Have a look at what their MEPs have voted for and against the EU. They took a full part in the workings of the EU whether you want to admit that or not.

    Regarding the recent electoral performance - there isn't a political party in the world who hasn't experienced what SF did, like those who talked of the demise of FF or indeed FG when they collapsed at the polls - talk of their demise is seriously deluded.


  • #870
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Have a look at what their MEPs have voted for and against the EU. They took a full part in the workings of the EU whether you want to admit that or not.

    Regarding the recent electoral performance - there isn't a political party in the world who hasn't experienced what SF did, like those who talked of the demise of FF or indeed FG when they collapsed at the polls - talk of their demise is seriously deluded.
    That kind of a collapse with Photo Shoot Phoney ( Leo , obviously ) at the helm !

    Sinn Fein , Happy for Ireland to be Run by the Eu . It doesn’t make sense .

    Sinn Fein dancing in the streets after the abortion referendum after not allowing their public representatives a free vote on ...... “ Abortion for folks sake “

    Sinn Fein for Mass Immigration when the bad affects ( there definitely is some for working class Irish People ) affects their Voters most of all .

    Its no wonder Sinn Fein got hammered at the Polls .


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  • #871
    janfebmar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭janfebmar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    there isn't a political party in the world who hasn't experienced what SF did,.

    Sinn Fein was unique in thats its military wing murdered elected politicians in N. Ireland, in the Republic and in Britain. And it does not admit it was wrong to do so. Lest we forget. To compare them to normal political parties is stretching it a bit.


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