BLM, or WLM? [MOD WARNING: FIRST POST]

SozBbz wrote: »

OK, you're not angry but yet you like to refer to people you couldn't possibly know as a Witch, and littering your post with misspelled curse words so you can avoid the Boards censoring them for you.... Sure.

Sounds like people call you angry a lot.... can't all be wrong.

Also, great argument - telling me my analogy is ridiculous but giving no reason as to why you think so.... let me guess, you're one of those people who like to make statements and then finish the sentence with the word "FACT!", thinking you've made a killer argument? I'll tell you why its not ridiculous - both are about empowering groups who have historically faced prejudice.

Don't assume I agree with anything you've said, its highly unlikely.

What a disastrous, presumptuous post.

I expect you're quite a joyless, judgmental person.

ELM327 wrote: »

The distinction is there so that everyone is given the same chances, but only those who earn them on merit, receive the best outcome.


Not everyone can be the director, the highest paid, etc. Some people have to sweep the floor, do the minimum wage job etc

Yes, I do know that we can't all be CEO's, thanks.

Do you dispute that racial profiling exists?

Do you actually think that a person of colour faces zero adversity above that of the average white irish joe in this country?

I'm talking about base level outcomes - things that everyone should be entitled to expect as members of a functioning society. Like not being hassled by the police, not being called names or told to go home (despite being born here) or told that their natural hair looks unprofessional.... do you really think dealing with all that gives you an equal opportunity to achieve your full potential?

Until we really start treating all people equally, then how are opportunities really equal? Until we make it socially unacceptable to casually treat people as "other" because of their skin colour, theres no such thing as equality of opportunity.

If you're white (which I am and presumably you are too) you don't notice that you don't have those hassles. It doesn't mean you don't have any hassles, but you don't also have to deal with some of the above BS as well as the hardships that we all face.

SozBbz wrote: »

OK cool, angry man.

You've still not actually made any points, you're just trying to be offensive - lucky I've a thicker skin than some.

You sound like the type of person I'm happy to have nothing in common with.

I made my points in my first post on the thread. You addressed none of them at all except for a pointless, half-@assed jibe in your first response.

You were the one who initially engaged with and responded to me with an incorrect presumption abut my character and yet you now attempt to spin it around on it's head that I'm the one trying to be offensive and on the attack.

I am exactly the type of person who would have noting to do with alip-servicing, white-knighting keyboard warrior such as you. I'm happily going to block you as you've posted probably more than anyone in the thread and have only managed to contribute drivel thus far (I'm more of a reader of threads than a poster by the way).

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Or not take it as a personal attack when someone says All Lives Matter.

They dont take it as an attack, they rightly take it as diluting their point to the point of pointlessness.

Do you go up to people raising money for Cancer research and tell them to piss of because Alzheimers matters too?

GreeBo wrote: »

I don't see any issue with that video tbh.

It's basically explaining to those white people who seem to think BLM somehow means BLM more than WLM, that actually BLM means Black Lives Matter Too.

If you are not black then you have no idea what BLM means as having to explain that "lives matter" isn't a thing that has ever occurred to you. You get it for free due to your race. Other races dont and they are a minority, so they are trying to explain to the rest of us "hey, life is kinda sh1t for us yunno, can we get this changed?"

"can we get this changed"...are you serious? Why don't they change it themselves by valuing education, keeping their kids out of crime, ensuring that black fathers stick around (something like 65% of black fathers in UK leave the mother of their child as single mothers, compared with 15% of white fathers).



Always be on the look out for people trying to find an external bogeyman. Reminds me of a teenager who blames their parents, their teachers and everyone else for their own problems.

SozBbz wrote: »

To be clear, you understand that "all lives matter" has been co-opted by some pretty unpleasant people. Are you comfortable aligning yourself with those people?

No one has ever spontaneously said All Lives Matter - its always said to try to undermine Black Lives Matter. Why do you feel the need to undermine a movement thats seeking to promote equality and bring attention to injustice?

BLM is a movement that originated in America. Do you think Black Americans are moaning over nothing? Because if you think that, you really need to open your eyes.[/quote

Plenty of moaning for sure...although black Americans have made huge strides over the past few decades..Obama is obvious...and will continue to.

Maybe you could point out all this injustice and what need to be done....because I sense a big gravy trains is about to arrive at the station.....all roared on by self righteous chancers and gullible guilt ridden saps ..

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's probably cultural rather than genetic. A cycle of behavior passed from father to son, or from mother to son, (depending on how the mother behaved after the father left)

In any case though, he's right about the valuing education, and keeping their kids out of crime. A lot of research over the last decade suggests that one of the biggest reasons for Black males not becoming successful is due to their exposure to crime. Failing education would be another glaringly obvious factor, and yet, look at the rolemodels in Black culture... the pimp, gangster, rapper, etc. People who speak of killing others, insulting women, and calling other black people Nigg**.

Culture plays an important role in the development of people, but within Black culture there is so little debate about changing themselves. Instead, everything is someone elses fault. There are millions of Black people living middle class lifestyles... what was different for them? That's the question you should be asking, since they would have faced the same racial discrimination.

Great response. I have that poster on ignore and can now only see their posts when they are quoted by other posters.

I would urge caution as their line of posting is designed to provoke you into a response which they can then report to mods.

Geuze wrote: »

I wonder do the protestors on the streets realise that BLM are anti-family?

Imagine rearing children collectively, rather than in a family.

It'll not be the community rearing these kids, it'll be the state, as is already the case for many.

Deleted User wrote: »

Culture plays an important role in the development of people, but within Black culture there is so little debate about changing themselves. Instead, everything is someone elses fault.

anytime an african american does stick their head above the parapet and suggest that black americans may want to get their own house in order in tandem with dealing with the external factors, they are labelled race traitors, uncle toms, house negros etc

I find it interesting that BLM only see racism against blacks but do not see obvious racism against other races.

Not for one second am I condoning racism at all.

In the States you have BET (black Entertainment Television) you also have Black History Month.

Now division based on colour, in my eyes is racism.

The narrative that is being put out there in colleges and schools that whites are privileged and blacks are repressed and do not get the same equality of opportunity is running thin at this stage. On a recent trip to Madison in WI, every shop in town is boarded up. The downtown (which in most cities is including Madison) is normally a place of urban regeneration has been destroyed. The BLM movement did this. As someone who would not support racism at all, in any shape or form, this leaves nasty taste in my mouth and does NOT give the BLM movement any credence in my mind, I am am sure I am not alone.

Yes what happens to some blacks at the hands of police is horrific and what happened in MN was murder. The problem is not only with the police but also with the community at large.

Yes I know I am generalising, but a lot of this can also be said for the white community is the States also.

The lack of fathers in kids upbringing, the lack of opportunity to see a way out, the lack of education and educational resources will mean that all communities suffer.

Unfortunately, Asians are being targeted for being the ones who work hard and have a stable family structure for the most part. Colleges seem to determine that they are over represented for working hard and having that ethic passed through the generations.

White Americans too in many parts are certainly NOT privileged. Where I am located, economic woes amongst the white population (which is by far the majority) see lines upon lines at food banks. Education budgets are being cut to the bone, leading to kids leaving earlier than usual, the curriculum has been decimated in schools. Home schooling kids, is getting to be the most popular form of schooling and the results are showing between home schooled (parents have drive and knowledge) and the school system is failing.

While I understand how Blacks in poor communities are demanding equal treatment, unless they work within their own communities (which a lot are) to stop gang violence, to stop the lack of education and for fathers and parents to be present in their childrens lives, many of the issues will continue.

I see it regularly where kids both black and white many not come from wealthy families but the father and mother are present. The value systems are different. We all know that parents play a huge roll in child development. Even if dad is not present, he MUST play an important role in any of his childrens development. That is what being a parent is. The current breakdown in many families in the States IS leading to more issues amongst children.

Some are mentioning Chicago on this thread. Black kids ARE shooting each other, but also Mexican kids are too. Gang issues in cities like Chicago are always going to be a major issue, with Chicago it is no different. The only solution to stop (or attempt to stop) this violence is by strong parenting. I see many black families, working hard, doing the right thing trying to raise their kids right. The environment that these families live in are difficult, yet not insurmountable. The problems come with mothers and fathers who dont provide good parenting (and this is not just a black issue but from what I can see more a black issue) the kids are lead astray in gangs, leading to gun crime and drugs etc......

American is currently on the precipice of disaster IMHO. A divided nation on political issues. The further divide on racial issues, combined with a media that is pushing hard to make Black Cool and white Privileged is in my experience pushing people to resent each other. Having been very immersed in America since I was in my teens, I can honestly say this country is not a safe place anymore there is tension everywhere.

Mr. Karate wrote: »

You're either for equality or supremacy. You can't have it both ways.

Indeed, which is why BLM movement is reminding people that BLM too.