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I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said, but the number of posters who go along with that ideology is really, really small. Just look at the National Party thread where essentially zero people have shown support for it, bar the OP. I'm sure there are some, just not as many as you seem to believe.BarnardsLoop wrote: »Going by what I've seen elsewhere and how they operate... I doubt it. Their most insidious tactic is to couch their objections in seemingly reasonable terms. And that they appeal to things like LGBT rights or women's rights but then turn around and start insulting those same groups, revealing their true intentions.
After all, the term 'alt-right' was coined by the American white-nationalist Richard Spencer precisely as a euphemism for people like himself. They know that their old arguments have been cottoned on to.
I'm reluctant to bring this up but... a lot of the talk about 'globalists' being a by-word for Jews came from their use of the triple parentheses around the word. But only the slowest of them still use those. My point being that they always seek out euphemistic terms for their targets. They're careful to play into peoples' fears just enough to give themselves plausible deniability.
The one thing they can't do, however, is change the core of the arguments; Jews are not 'us', they want to destroy 'us', they want to overthrow 'us', they want to outbreed 'us'. The prejudice is as old as the hills, just the terminology has changed.
Hell, even today there's still debates over whether Jewish people are 'white'. Which just further demonstrates how meaningless the term is.
If you're expecting them to, like the Nazis, come straight out and start talking about how Jewish people are the cause of all our ills... that's being a little naive. They've learned from that past. Antisemitism was rife in Europe at the time and so it was fair-game to talk about Jewish people like that but nowadays they have to be careful.
But there are certain targets that they can still be open about. That prejudice against is seen as acceptable.
Anyway I'll leave it there. I'll return the favour and give you the last word this time
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I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said, but the number of posters who go along with that ideology is really, really small. Just look at the National Party thread where essentially zero people have shown support for it, bar the OP. I'm sure there are some, just not as many as you seem to believe.BarnardsLoop wrote: »Going by what I've seen elsewhere and how they operate... I doubt it. Their most insidious tactic is to couch their objections in seemingly reasonable terms. And that they appeal to things like LGBT rights or women's rights but then turn around and start insulting those same groups, revealing their true intentions.
After all, the term 'alt-right' was coined by the American white-nationalist Richard Spencer precisely as a euphemism for people like himself. They know that their old arguments have been cottoned on to.
I'm reluctant to bring this up but... a lot of the talk about 'globalists' being a by-word for Jews came from their use of the triple parentheses around the word. But only the slowest of them still use those. My point being that they always seek out euphemistic terms for their targets. They're careful to play into peoples' fears just enough to give themselves plausible deniability.
The one thing they can't do, however, is change the core of the arguments; Jews are not 'us', they want to destroy 'us', they want to overthrow 'us', they want to outbreed 'us'. The prejudice is as old as the hills, just the terminology has changed.
Hell, even today there's still debates over whether Jewish people are 'white'. Which just further demonstrates how meaningless the term is.
If you're expecting them to, like the Nazis, come straight out and start talking about how Jewish people are the cause of all our ills... that's being a little naive. They've learned from that past. Antisemitism was rife in Europe at the time and so it was fair-game to talk about Jewish people like that but nowadays they have to be careful.
But there are certain targets that they can still be open about. That prejudice against is seen as acceptable.
Anyway I'll leave it there. I'll return the favour and give you the last word this time 0 -
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CtevenSrowder wrote: »I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said, but the number of posters who go along with that ideology is really, really small. Just look at the National Party thread where essentially zero people have shown support for it, bar the OP. I'm sure there are some, just not as many as you seem to believe.
Anyway I'll leave it there. I'll return the favour and give you the last word this time
Ah, its not so much a political party I fear as radicalistion of individuals.
But, if I must have the last word then I'll just apologise for my behaviour towards you on the other threads. I'll be the first to say I sometimes speak impetuously. I was angry and I jumped the gun on you, so to speak, and for that I'm sorry.I don't think that exceptional mode of thinking works anywhere to be honest.
Again I would say that the sole reason that nationalist parties have only appeared very recently is directly tied to the rapid rate of change.
I think the most "interesting" time ahead for ireland is when the children of these immigrants grow up. Anecdotally, there are some classrooms and schools that are majority non native, and the sudden appearance of such change (adults versus children) will probably come as a real shock to most people.
I had a really long reply written out because I think you raise some interesting points but I accidentally refreshed the page and am just feeling a bit miffed to start all over again right now.
Suffice to say, for now, that historically we've mostly experienced net emigration so I understand immigration is a new phenomenon for a lot of people here.0 -
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