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British intelligence tried to get UVF to shoot up a school

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  • 10-07-2020 12:56pm
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    Adam9213
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    In the mid 70s British intelligence tried to convince the UVF to shoot up a primary school it was to be carried out by the Gleneanne gang a gang made up entirely of informers/agents the victims were to be both "teachers and students" in the end the UVF refused.

    A couple of people said this in the last couple of decades but about a year ago former RUC officer and member of the Gleneanne Gang (otherwise known as MI5s own terror squad) stated that the claims were true.

    For people reading this (most of you) who don't know much about the troubles would probably find this sort of claim hard to believe and you would see no reason why they would do that.

    The idea was to cause a civil war and turn the IRA into a purely sectarian conflict.

    “From their vision such a war would be quite short; they thought they could have a quick, short and sharp process of cleansing out the IRA,” said Mr Murray.

    Some IRA members would have acted on their own and carried out sectarian attacks, the IRA over a very short time would lose most of their support and sympathy and members of the IRA would be ten times more likely to become informants due to disgust at IRA actions.


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    Cee-Jay-Cee
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    Doesn't surprise me in the slightest.


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    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Some people would have us believe that Gerry Adams was never in the IRA.


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    Akesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 315 ✭✭Akesh


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Some people would have us believe that Gerry Adams was never in the IRA.

    And others told the IRA to disarm and engage in politics and then proceed to throw it back in their face and continually demonise them despite signing a peace agreement.


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    Adam9213
    Registered Users Posts: 274 ✭✭Adam9213


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Some people would have us believe that Gerry Adams was never in the IRA.

    That's what most people are more interested in tbh


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    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    OP needs sources.


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    [Deleted User]
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    Adam9213 wrote: »
    In the mid 70s British intelligence tried to convince the UVF to shoot up a primary school it was to be carried out by the Gleneanne gang a gang made up entirely of informers/agents the victims were to be both "teachers and students" in the end the UVF refused.

    A couple of people said this in the last couple of decades but about a year ago former RUC officer and member of the Gleneanne Gang (otherwise known as MI5s own terror squad) stated that the claims were true.

    For people reading this (most of you) who don't know much about the troubles would probably find this sort of claim hard to believe and you would see no reason why they would do that.

    The idea was to cause a civil war and turn the IRA into a purely sectarian conflict.

    “From their vision such a war would be quite short; they thought they could have a quick, short and sharp process of cleansing out the IRA,” said Mr Murray.

    Some IRA members would have acted on their own and carried out sectarian attacks, the IRA over a very short time would lose most of their support and sympathy and members of the IRA would be ten times more likely to become informants due to disgust at IRA actions.

    This attack was belived to have been vetod by the belfast uvf leadership (how fcuked up is it,that they are good guys in this story)



    As they felt it would trigger several kingsmill type responces,......ultimately the person who proposed it,is belived to be still counted among the disappeared


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    greensausage
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    Surely it would have lead to another bloody Sunday situation where support for the IRA would have through the roof both sides of the boader?!
    Also for any international observers it would have painted the Unionists as monsters so I'm sure what was to be gained by it.


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    Adam9213
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    Another thing this was told that it was to be in retaliation for the kinsmill attack where the "IRA" killed ten protestant workmen.

    There's also a lot of questions about that attack when an enquiry team were asked to investigate it 40 years later but couldn't because the files had "mysteriously disappeared in a fire".

    One of the 11 people who was shot over ten times survived and claimed that the guy in charge spoke with an English accent, he wouldn't have had any reason to hide his accent seeing as though it was set up as UDA checkpoint and the soldiers would have been expected to have Irish accents anyway.


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    Adam9213
    Registered Users Posts: 274 ✭✭Adam9213


    greensausage wrote: »
    Surely it would have lead to another bloody Sunday situation where support for the IRA would have through the roof both sides of the boader?!
    Also for any international observers it would have painted the Unionists as monsters so I'm sure what was to be gained by it.

    No you clearly don't know what you're talking about it would have been the UVF who looked bad and would have reinforced what the British said about being neutral peacemakers, it didn't matter to the IRA whatsoever how the UVF looked it mattered how the British looked the war was between IRA and the British state.

    You clearly have no knowledge of this conflict whatsoever apart from a few BBC documentaries if you don't see what was to be gained by this.


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    Adam9213
    Registered Users Posts: 274 ✭✭Adam9213


    greensausage wrote: »
    Surely it would have lead to another bloody Sunday situation where support for the IRA would have through the roof both sides of the boader?!
    Also for any international observers it would have painted the Unionists as monsters so I'm sure what was to be gained by it.

    Probably the most idiotic comment I ever seen on this site tbh, if you have absolutely no clue about this type of thing you shouldn't bother posting.


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    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Adam9213 wrote: »
    Probably the most idiotic comment I ever seen on this site tbh, if you have absolutely no clue about this type of thing you shouldn't bother posting.

    The posters statement made sense, what are you on about? Also, any backup for your claims?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    Adam9213
    Registered Users Posts: 274 ✭✭Adam9213


    Feisar wrote: »
    The posters statement made sense, what are you on about? Also, any backup for your claims?

    It didn't make sense if you know what you're talking about, look it up yourself.


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    Baggly
    Registered Users Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    Mod

    Thread closed for a bit. Probably belongs in CA. Suggest people starting threads in AH review the charter first.


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