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Why do people have children that they can't afford?

  • 19-11-2019 9:26pm
    #1
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭


    Surely parents should know if they can afford a 2nd, 3rd or 4th kid? Plus abortions are free, so there's no excuse anymore really.


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  • #2
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users Posts: 5,745 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Dey entitled to ih. Lave 'em be, havin' the angles, like the Lord Jesus wants.


  • #3
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,638 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Pmacv1 wrote: »
    Surely parents should know if they can afford a 2nd, 3rd or 4th kid?


    Because they want to.

    Pmacv1 wrote: »
    Plus abortions are free, so there's no excuse anymore really.


    What has that to do with people who want to have children?


  • #4
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Pmacv1


    Deebles McBeebles wrote: »
    Dey entitled to ih. Lave 'em be, havin' the angles, like the Lord Jesus wants.

    I don't understand why people complain about the cost of childcare, when abortions are free.


  • #5
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Another quality thread from the OP.


  • #6
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Pmacv1


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Because they want to.





    What has that to do with people who want to have children?

    Because if you can't support children, you shouldn't have them.


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  • #7
    blueshade
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 428 ✭✭blueshade


    I was waiting for a bus a couple of weeks ago and there was a settled Traveler couple in there late 20's talking to a girl of similar age with a child of about 4 years old I'd guess. The girl with the child was living in a Family Hub and said she'd been on the homeless list for a number of years. Her family and siblings are all in the County and have accomodation so I don't know how anyone can let their daughter/sister and her little child live in a homeless hostel if they have a spare room.

    The settled Traveler couple have 3 kids and were living with her parents because they'd been evicted from their rented accomodation, the conversation started because the Traveler woman, who is pregnant with her 4th child wanted a light for her ciggy from the other girl. NO Personal responsibility taken.


  • #8
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,119 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Ah, I see where we're going with this op, want me to rename the thread for you?

    :rolleyes:

    Moderator: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender, Vegan & Vegetarian

    Category Moderator: Social & Fun



  • #9
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    My cousin keeps on having children whenever the youngest is ready to go to school. She'll be up to 4 next year. She'll do anything to not go out and get a job. The usual scenario, school drop-out, no education, multiple father's, heavily subsidised bedroom semi-detached.


  • #10
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,638 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Pmacv1 wrote: »
    Because if you can't support children, you shouldn't have them.


    And again, that has nothing to do with your original question. You asked why people have children when they can’t afford them, and the simple answer is - because they want to.

    The question has nothing to do with people who don’t want to have children.


  • #11
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Pmacv1


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    My cousin keeps on having children whenever the youngest is ready to go to school. She'll be up to 4 next year. She'll do anything to not go out and get a job. The usual scenario, school drop-out, no education, multiple father's, heavily subsidised bedroom semi-detached.

    My cousin's the opposite. A leafy suburb yuppie, who jogs with the pram. But she's constantly raving on about how expensive children are, and now she's up the duff again.


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  • #12
    blueshade
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 428 ✭✭blueshade


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    My cousin keeps on having children whenever the youngest is ready to go to school. She'll be up to 4 next year. She'll do anything to not go out and get a job. The usual scenario, school drop-out, no education, multiple father's, heavily subsidised, bedroom semi-detached.

    Yeah, the cut off is when the youngest is 8 now, I think. Someone I know just had their second kid with a different daddy, he just turned 9 this Summer. The boyfriend pretends he lives in his own 4 bedroom house which he rents out rooms in when he actually lives out of a suitcase with her. Been going on for 3 years, so he's cashing in on the rental and she's getting her benefits and her rent allowance and not doing a tap of work since she was in her 20's, despite being healthy. She's been getting away with the bogus single mammy thing for a while now.


  • #13
    margo321
    Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭margo321


    I guess along the same line of thinking people should commit suicide 8f the face financial trouble.


  • #14
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Pmacv1


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    And again, that has nothing to do with your original question. You asked why people have children when they can’t afford them, and the simple answer is - because they want to.

    The question has nothing to do with people who don’t want to have children.

    If you have children and can't afford them, that's your problem. There's other options out there and if parents choose to ignore them for their own selfish motives, they should also have to deal with the results.


  • #15
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    If every unwanted child wasn't kept, this forum would be very quiet. You should thank your lucky stars.


  • #16
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,638 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Pmacv1 wrote: »
    If you have children and can't afford them, that's your problem. There's other options out there and if parents choose to ignore them for their own selfish motives, they should also have to deal with the results.


    Yeah I’m not sure anyone gives a single fcuk for what you think they should or shouldn’t do tbh :pac:


  • #17
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,353 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    blueshade wrote: »
    I was waiting for a bus a couple of weeks ago and there was a settled Traveler couple in there late 20's talking to a girl of similar age with a child of about 4 years old I'd guess. The girl with the child was living in a Family Hub and said she'd been on the homeless list for a number of years. Her family and siblings are all in the County and have accomodation so I don't know how anyone can let their daughter/sister and her little child live in a homeless hostel if they have a spare room.

    The settled Traveler couple have 3 kids and were living with her parents because they'd been evicted from their rented accomodation, the conversation started because the Traveler woman, who is pregnant with her 4th child wanted a light for her ciggy from the other girl. NO Personal responsibility taken.

    Ohhh , you use public transport ?


  • #18
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Pmacv1


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Yeah I’m not sure anyone gives a single fcuk for what you think they should or shouldn’t do tbh :pac:


    Address the point instead of snide, ad hominum attacks.


  • #19
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,638 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Pmacv1 wrote: »
    Address the point instead of snide, ad hominum attacks.


    I did address the point, in my very first reply to your question. It was very simple.

    Why do people have children they can’t afford?

    Because they want to.

    There’s your answer.


  • #20
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Pmacv1


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I did address the point, in my very first reply to your question. It was very simple.

    Why do people have children they can’t afford?

    Because they want to.

    There’s your answer.

    And my response was that's irresponsible, stupid and cruel.


  • #21
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Pmacv1 wrote: »
    I don't understand why people complain about the cost of childcare, when abortions are free.

    Because not everyone wants to go through having an abortion? They arent compulsory just because they are now legal


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  • #22
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users Posts: 23,638 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Pmacv1 wrote: »
    And my response was that's irresponsible, stupid and cruel.


    Annnnnd?

    Or are we working off the premise that people are supposed to care what you think?

    In that case, my earlier reply stands.


  • #23
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Pmacv1


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Because not everyone wants to go through having an abortion? They arent compulsory just because they are now legal

    Having kids isn't compulsory either. If you can't support a child, don't have it.


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    OP with disingenuous premise to indirectly attack availability of abortion in Ireland. Well, I never.


  • #25
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Pmacv1


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    OP with disingenuous premise to indirectly attack availability of abortion in Ireland. Well, I never.

    What are you on about lad?


  • #26
    Tippsman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 118 ✭✭Tippsman


    I like sex and condoms are expensive, plus the extra social.

    Win, win.


  • #27
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Pmacv1


    corner of hells wrote: »
    Have a read of what you just posted there , Chief?

    "If you get someone pregnant, you should get her to have an abortion, instead of having the child".

    Ever see the movie Idiocracy?


  • #28
    Pmacv1
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭Pmacv1


    corner of hells wrote: »
    The girl might have an opinion herself, ya know she might like the idea of becoming a mother, yes?

    Well she should see if she can afford it first.


  • #29
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Pmacv1 wrote: »
    And my response was that's irresponsible, stupid and cruel.

    That's quite offensive.

    If we had decided on our children based on our means at the time some of our children would not now exist as adults working n jobs they love as teachers, nurses, social workers etc and with kids of their own in happy relationships. We scrimped and did without for many years but they had happy childhoods and great lives. Had we analysed it just in the cold light of affordability all our lives would now be all the poorer for it.


  • #30
    corner of hells
    Registered Users Posts: 8,353 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Pmacv1 wrote: »
    Well she should see if she can afford it first.

    Like a means test ?
    Can I afford new shoes ? Can I afford a holiday , can I afford a child ?


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  • #31
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    Meredith Some Poppycock wrote: »
    That's quite offensive.

    If we had decided on our children based on our means at the time some of our children would not now exist as adults working n jobs they love as teachers, nurses, social workers etc and with kids of their own in happy relationships. We scrimped and did without for many years but they had happy childhoods and great lives. Had we analysed it just in the cold light of affordability all our lives would now be all the poorer for it.

    Don't rise to the bait. OP isn't remotely sincere, just playing a twisted game.


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