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31-05-2019, 07:43   #16
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Barr was well back in 3rd there. Don't know his time exactly but on first impression he seemed to be high stepping more than normal, very 'bouncy' stride but kinda going up and down on the spot in a way. I might have a look back at other races and compare.
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31-05-2019, 08:15   #17
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The stadium is practically empty for the 10000m. Only the die-hards remain! Maybe this tells us something........
What a shame then cos that was a fascinating 10,000

I won't spoil it for anyone; here's a recording of the whole thing on YT.

Impressive!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEUdiyZ_ecA
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Barr was well back in 3rd there. Don't know his time exactly but on first impression he seemed to be high stepping more than normal, very 'bouncy' stride but kinda going up and down on the spot in a way. I might have a look back at other races and compare.
Time isn’t good but good placing and more diamond league points. Very cold and breezy evening which isn’t ideal for fast times.

Warholm is a freak who can run fast in just about any weather but he’s the exception.

Barr beat some good athletes there.
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31-05-2019, 11:14   #19
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Bit of a crazy women's 5000m race, Obiri took a heavy fall with 3 laps to go and then it was anyone's race. Nearly had a shock winner in Canadian Gabriela DeBues-Stafford, but she wound up in 4th, albeit with a Canadian record. Tirop took the win, and should be a medal contender in Doha.
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Caster Semenya's ban has been temporarily lifted, so for now she's free to run again.
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Caster Semenya's ban has been temporarily lifted, so for now she's free to run again.
Common fecking sense at last, I did not hear them complain about Michael Phelps having
1. Double jointed ankles
2. Disproportionate arm length relative to body
3. Most critically, genetic mutation allowing him to produce less than half the lactic acid of rivals.

All successful athletes have huge genetic advantages over your standard person (and even more pronounced at elite level).

Should Basketball be capped at a height of 5'10" (Average height)?
Boxers only have a set reach?
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Common fecking sense at last, I did not hear them complain about Michael Phelps having
1. Double jointed ankles
2. Disproportionate arm length relative to body
3. Most critically, genetic mutation allowing him to produce less than half the lactic acid of rivals.

All successful athletes have huge genetic advantages over your standard person (and even more pronounced at elite level).

Should Basketball be capped at a height of 5'10" (Average height)?
Boxers only have a set reach?
There's a thread for that argument already, you'll find it there on the main page somewhere
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Common fecking sense at last, I did not hear them complain about Michael Phelps having
1. Double jointed ankles
2. Disproportionate arm length relative to body
3. Most critically, genetic mutation allowing him to produce less than half the lactic acid of rivals.

All successful athletes have huge genetic advantages over your standard person (and even more pronounced at elite level).

Should Basketball be capped at a height of 5'10" (Average height)?
Boxers only have a set reach?
Semenya is only allowed to compete until her appeal is heard, this is not a ban lift and it is highly unlikely that it will be overturned by CAS.

Before I get in the fatal flaw of your argument which is a logical fallacy called false equivalence. A few points about your points. Micheal Phelps does not have a genetic mutation that allows him to produce half the lactate of his rivals. Athletes will in general have a higher lactate tolerance or higher rate of lactate clearance. Lactate is fuel so a high clearance rate means he has a very strong aerobic system, a high tolerance like another swimmer who produces twice the amount of Phelps means that swimmer has a very powerful anaerobic system(much stronger than Phelps). This isn't a one way street where lower means better, if you tested ever elite swimmer in those events, you would find that some would have much less lactate production than twice Phelps(very aerobically strong swimmers)and others would have more than twice(very anaerobically strong swimmers). For the hell of it, someone might come along and produce more than twice Phelps Lactate in a few years and dominate and the same media outlets will say that he has an incredible tolerance to lactate. It's the way psyiology works.

On the boxing point re reach. Boxing is already a divided sport within male competition when it comes to weight.

The basketball comparison has been shot down by almost everyone already as a false equivalence. Better comparisons would be along these lines.

Would it be ok for Phelps to compete in Women's swimming?
Would it be ok for Anthony Joshua to compete in Women's boxing?
Would it be ok for Lebron to compete in the WNBA?

Stretched but more relevant questions in this debate.

The line is drawn on Biological SEX. Making comparisons within unprotected division in MALE sports with Phelps and Basketball is a false equivalence. It sounds good and wins over people but those arguments are logically irrational, they make no sense in this debate. Women are protected in sport because if they weren't, a female athlete would never win a world title or at any sport.

Caster Semenya, Francine Niyonsaba or any of the other 6 or 7 46XY DSD athletes who have already been officially effected by the CAS ruling are not Female in a sport where the dividing line is a SEX line. This is not a Micheal Phelps type advantage over other men, this is about the difference between male and female performance(the most significant performance gap in this species). These athletes are intersex, have genetic male chromosome profiles, some have testosterone levels in excess of the average males(albeit with less sensitivity) and underwent male puberty. The comparison you make with Phelps advantage in the male division is like comparing grains of sand in the Sahara when there's a much wider picture when you stand back.
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Rome Diamond League on now on Eurosport.

Barr a distant 4th in the Hurdles, predictably won by a wide margin by Benjamin.
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What a finish to the 5000m mens race !
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What a finish to the 5000m mens race !
Some great races last night, also men's 800m and women's 1500 & 100m
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A super 1500m performance from Muir considering she was bumped early on.
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As above, great 1500 race. Didn't actually notice Muir got bumped, but she'd have been in a much better position to win had she not been so far back during the first couple of laps. I think I read it was her second fastest 1500 ever? I'd be shocked if she doesn't medal in Doha later this year. Must've stung a bit to lose to her bestie though
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Start lists for Oslo out. Irish representation in Thomas Barr in the hurdles and Paul Robinson in the 3,000 metres. It's also the season debut of Emma Coburn in the 3,000 metres steeplechase, really looking forward to seeing how she gets on.
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Start lists for Oslo out. Irish representation in Thomas Barr in the hurdles and Paul Robinson in the 3,000 metres. It's also the season debut of Emma Coburn in the 3,000 metres steeplechase, really looking forward to seeing how she gets on.
Don't be too surprised if Robinson lines up as pace maker, unless Bideau has pulled some major strings I would imagine that given the field and his form shown since return from injury that is the reason for his inclusion (IIRC he did pace making duties last year for one of the DL meets)
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