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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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  • #1712
    marno21
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    Avgeek2101 wrote: »
    SNN LHR schedule got updated and is on sale from Sept 13th. EI388 21.20 Departure added instead of lunch time EI384.

    Does anyone know if EI380/1 will return. That was particularly popular flight.

    Cork Airport closing September 12th. Interesting timing there.


  • #1713
    Tenger
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    Avgeek2101 wrote: »
    SNN LHR schedule got updated and is on sale from Sept 13th. EI388 21.20 Departure added instead of lunch time EI384.

    Does anyone know if EI380/1 will return. That was particularly popular flight.

    I'm sure it will. EI are probably already working on/figures out how to crew it once the demand is back.


  • #1714
    Jack1985
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    Aer Lingus are putting BHD-BHX/EDI/MAN on-sale using A320s for tomorrow and Monday as a temporary measure to cater for EIR passengers.


  • #1715
    goingnowhere
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    Sensible solution, EI got in on those routes when FlyBE exited and don't want Easyjet or Ryanair to swoop in. Presumably these will be W's from Dublin as EI will need to restructure the DUB-EDI/BHX/MAN ops

    BA CityFlyer is also being brought in (advantage of being in IAG) to cover some ops


  • #1716
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,844 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    marno21 wrote: »
    Cork Airport closing September 12th. Interesting timing there.


    My rescheduled Cork-LHR flight in October has been moved to Shannon. I'm guessing they'll just move everything there for the time.


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  • #1717
    LXFlyer
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    goingnowhere wrote: »
    Sensible solution, EI got in on those routes when FlyBE exited and don't want Easyjet or Ryanair to swoop in. Presumably these will be W's from Dublin as EI will need to restructure the DUB-EDI/BHX/MAN ops

    BA CityFlyer is also being brought in (advantage of being in IAG) to cover some ops

    Edinburgh is being operated in a W pattern out of Dublin.

    Birmingham & Manchester using a Belfast based A320.


  • #1718
    ClosedAccountFuzzy
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    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    My rescheduled Cork-LHR flight in October has been moved to Shannon. I'm guessing they'll just move everything there for the time.

    That’s going to be an utter pain in the rear for businesses in Cork. At least Zoom is a possibility.

    There’s no way I’d drive to Shannon for a flight to London unless I had no choice about going.

    I can see this Cork runway refurbishment becoming a really serious political issue in Cork when it actually has impact.


  • #1719
    smurfjed
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    What is the fastest and most prudent way for EI to get back its regional routes? Some might support an A320, but for those that can’t, is it feasible for EI to place 2-3 ATR’s on their AOC in a rapid manner?


  • #1720
    goingnowhere
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    The question is 'who' owns the PSO route. Is it EI's problem or not?

    If EI is on the hook simplest solution is to wet lease someone in and run a ATR/Dash8/Dornier 228/328. You can get a A320 into Kerry no problem but CFN is a big problem. EI could offer to fly a A320 to Derry, that could be interesting to say the least with the PSO


  • #1721
    mr.anonymous
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    goingnowhere wrote: »
    The question is 'who' owns the PSO route. Is it EI's problem or not?

    If EI is on the hook simplest solution is to wet lease someone in and run a ATR/Dash8/Dornier 228/328. You can get a A320 into Kerry no problem but CFN is a big problem. EI could offer to fly a A320 to Derry, that could be interesting to say the least with the PSO

    Stobarts were the PSO operator. I assume they branded it as an EI flight but it was theirs. They had the PSO contract until end 2022.


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  • #1722
    EchoIndia
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    It would need to be put out to tender, surely, though in the short-term some sort of abbreviated process might be used to re-establish a service in the interim. Lawyers no doubt being consulted.


  • #1723
    LiamaDelta
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    EchoIndia wrote: »
    It would need to be put out to tender, surely, though in the short-term some sort of abbreviated process might be used to re-establish a service in the interim. Lawyers no doubt being consulted.

    There's provision for a contract to be awarded for 7 months without tender if something like this happens. Gives them time to do a full tender in the meantime.

    It does seem strange though, Stobart actually won the contract not Aer Lingus. But they won it based on using the EI Regional brand. I'd imagine the government would have to award the contract directly to EI in order to keep it running. As you say, a lot of lawyering happening I'd imagine.


  • #1724
    EchoIndia
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    DAT (Denmark) could be a candidate. They have operated here before and I see they do PSO stuff in Italy too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAT_(airline)


  • #1725
    mr.anonymous
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    I can't see EI or RYR bothering with the PSOs.


  • #1726
    Chris_5339762
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    Ryanair certainly won't. ATRs needed, not B737s or A320s.


  • #1727
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users Posts: 4,129 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    An Estonian airline is interested per the Irish Times today


  • #1728
    Shamrockj
    Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭Shamrockj


    EI-EIL flown DUB - FNI today
    EI-DAA flown from CQM-FNI today also

    I assume for storage ? I wonder why DAA flew from CQM-FNI though


  • #1729
    [Deleted User]
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    goingnowhere wrote: »
    An Estonian airline is interested per the Irish Times today

    Gonna guess that's Nordica.


  • #1730
    [Deleted User]
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    Shamrockj wrote: »
    I wonder why DAA flew from CQM-FNI though

    Gear change


  • #1731
    EchoIndia
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    GVHOT wrote: »
    Gonna guess that's Nordica.
    That's what the article says.


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  • #1732
    ohlordy
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    Realistically, what's the quickest Nordica could be set up to fly? My 3 year old is expecting to fly to kerry on July 3rd, I'm not optimistic but I am hopeful!


  • #1733
    Shamrockj
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    GVHOT wrote: »
    Gear change

    Interesting. I’m guessing -DAA will be staying in the fleet so? I would have assumed it wouldn’t be coming back in the future.


  • #1734
    goingnowhere
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    DAA is a owned bird

    If the gear is out of date its got to be fixed, even if it won't fly again it has to be safe to fly to wherever it will be scrapped

    Alternatively DAA has good gear which is well in date/cycles and is being 'borrowed' for the active fleet

    The fact EI-EIL showed up same day is suspicious


  • #1735
    mr.anonymous
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    ohlordy wrote: »
    Realistically, what's the quickest Nordica could be set up to fly? My 3 year old is expecting to fly to kerry on July 3rd, I'm not optimistic but I am hopeful!

    Honestly I'd say once they have a contract in place, they'll be positioning and aircraft and crew the next day to operate.


  • #1736
    Deatr
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    mr.anonymous wrote: »
    Honestly I'd say once they have a contract in place, they'll be positioning and aircraft and crew the next day to operate.

    Nordica currently having difficulty getting crew to operate on a full time basis on the PSO routes in Sweden. It may be a bit longer than a day. But the optics for the government giving this to a foreign operator that has been bailed out by their own government would not look good.


  • #1737
    smurfjed
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    Wasn’t STOBART basically going to be a foreign airline with IOM ownership?


  • #1738
    Shamrockj
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    Being reported that Manchester - New York and Orlando are being pushed back until September 30th

    https://www-irishtimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-delays-manchester-transatlantic-flights-launch-to-september-1.4594890?mode=amp


  • #1739
    kevinandrew
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    A real shame but not entirely surprising considering the situation in the UK once again.

    Biden appears in no rush to reopen travel with Britain, the fact they’ve only just announced a “task force” to explore how it could be done suggests it’s a long way off yet. The latest variant now dominant in the UK will remain a concern for weeks to come until the link between infection, hospitalisation and deaths can be confirmed to be broken.

    Aer Lingus is likely hedging its bets with late September but the reality is they don’t know. At this rate the EU will be reopening to the US before the UK, if that does happen, let’s hope Ireland ensures it’s ready and waiting.

    There’s also the little problem of a UK AOC which is still to be awarded, its taking far longer than most expected.


  • #1740
    Jack1985
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    kevinandrew wrote: »
    At this rate the EU will be reopening to the US before the UK, if that does happen, let’s hope Ireland ensures it’s ready and waiting.

    There’s also the little problem of a UK AOC which is still to be awarded, its taking far longer than most expected.

    Unfortunately, the CTA will come to Ireland's detriment on this occasion if this becomes the case. The US doesn't differentiate between the two due to free flow across the NI/ROI border.


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  • #1741
    kevinandrew
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    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Unfortunately, the CTA will come to Ireland's detriment on this occasion if this becomes the case. The US doesn't differentiate between the two due to free flow across the NI/ROI border.

    No doubt it plays a part but it doesn’t always correspond to restrictions or official travel advice from a US government perspective. The current US travel advice for Ireland is actually tougher than those for the United Kingdom despite the open border.

    https://travelmaps.state.gov/TSGMap/?extent=-14.812101054,51.261076503,-1.513920294,55.421781277

    I’m pretty sure Ireland’s status is largely self inflicted here, it’s a two way street with the US and if we were willing to ease restrictions for them they’d be quick to reciprocate.


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