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16-05-2019, 15:03   #151
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So the problem can be identified, but don't worry about it and continue being unhappy?
No, absolutely not.
While do I agree that the level of immigration is probably too high, and Ireland needs to do more about filtering them especially when it comes to welfare and benefits, I also believe that immigration is not a cause in itself. Lack of planning and lack of supply is the main cause, and also LL taking houses off the rental market because of adverse rules and regulations is a huge part of the problem.
Having any level of social housing in areas where the demand greatly outweighs the supply is another cause.

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And people wonder how bad situations get worse and worse. In my opinion either something will be done to rectify this disastrous course, or else it will naturally explode in a much more uncontrollable and violent way. Pick your poison.
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No one is really trapped, of course, they can always live in the underwater cities dotted around Irelands coastline and get all those aqua farming jobs
Where there is an abundance of jobs there will be an abundance of people doing those jobs hence expensive housing. This is how it works, you can't have it both ways.
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16-05-2019, 15:06   #152
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https://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radio...83_08-11-2017_

Average no. of applications for family members under the Family Reunification provisions = 20.
The largest application being for 70 family members. Significant and unquantifiable impacts on the provision of housing, education, welfare supports.

Minister of State, David Stanton
holy moly. i wonder how many of these applications are approved.
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16-05-2019, 15:31   #153
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And this market is going to "cool off" the way the economy had a "soft landing"
Exactly. Unless we change policy. The stooges who bleat on about 'forever homes' should wake up to the reality that paying rents to private landlords, or buying to use as social housing, and hotels bills are costing more, but 'forever homes' has a snappier ring to it.
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Are immigrants the cause of the housing crisis? No.

Do immigrants exacerbate the problem? Yes. How could they not?
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16-05-2019, 15:35   #155
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Government encouraging ghettos?
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Government encouraging ghettos?
i dont think they actively encourage ghettos but they facilitate their creation by having absolutely no planning in place for our rapidly increasing immigration levels. No planning whatsoever.
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Exactly. Unless we change policy. The stooges who bleat on about 'forever homes' should wake up to the reality that paying rents to private landlords, or buying to use as social housing, and hotels bills are costing more, but 'forever homes' has a snappier ring to it.
Have you a costing of all these social houses versus money spent on emergency accommodation?

Bare in mind 1700 “ social houses” houses at a cost of 300k would equate to half a BILLION euro.

So how many houses are you suggesting and give us the costing and where the money will come from?

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16-05-2019, 15:54   #158
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... canteen chef who likes to practice Irish phrases on everybody who visits the canteen. His daughter started learning Irish in school, so he's learning it to help her with homework. He's from Cameroon...
-Works to support himself
-Respectful of native culture and laws
-Grateful to Ireland for what it offers

The only three boxes I would ask an immigrant to Ireland to tick.

The rest who fail this simple test can go jump though.
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Exactly. Unless we change policy. The stooges who bleat on about 'forever homes' should wake up to the reality that paying rents to private landlords, or buying to use as social housing, and hotels bills are costing more, but 'forever homes' has a snappier ring to it.

If people were in appropriate accommodation the social housing crisis would be alleviated, at least to a degree. Having elderly people clattering around in 3 and 4 bedroom houses is not helping the situation. Once the kids hit 21 and are not in college the house should be reassigned to a family with non-adult children and the parents moved into a one bedroom apartment.
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There's a shortage of housing. And you reckon building more is not going to solve anything.
It probably won't to be fair. If there are 60,000 immigrants coming here annually, you'd need about 20,000 new houses annually to match their demand. And that is just to keep up with immigrants. So yes, the houses we are building just about matches the demand from immigrants.

The housing problem in Dublin in particular is very complex, too complex for the current government to solve. Its not just as simple as "build more houses".
It can take at least 5 years to design, get planning permission for and build new houses. The problem is we need those new houses today, not in 5 years. You can't just finger click new houses from thin air.
Balanced regional development is one area where housing demand can be addressed, but there is zero appetite in government for that, or the Facebooks and Googles who come here. They all want to locate close to Dublin city centre. This of course will cause a massive rise in housing demand in Dublin.

Immigrants alone aren't the problem though. Overall its a complex issue.

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I persisted?! Really now

Just as well you fact checked that insignificant thing, now millions of minds will be walking around with "undefined area of Dorset Street" versus "Dorset street".

Hallelujah.

Meanwhile, the topic is about the city. The first post has the link to the prime time program and everyone can watch it, and then decide how important the designation of Dorset Street pertains to the bigger picture and debate.
The only problem here us that your "insignificant" Dorset Street interpretation IS correct.

I suspect your correspondent knows this,but if not,then a quick stroll from Granby Row to Binns Bridge and back should confirm those 7% stats.

Reality can sometimes conflict with the preferred statistics,and many politicians will steadfastly plough on,whilst their electorate scratch their heads in bewilderment...usually however,it's reality that triumphs
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Heres one I dont get. According to the CSO there are 6,084 Nigerians in Ireland. According to World Bank data in 2017 there was $2.1bn of remittances sent out of the Irish economy to people in other countries. Of that $2.1bn almost a quarter ($471 million) was sent in remittances from Ireland to Nigeria. Which means that for every Nigerian here they sent $77,000 back to Nigeria from Ireland which is approx €68,000. Something doesnt add up here, either Nigerians are using Ireland for some sort of a massive banking scam or there are way more Nigerians in Ireland than the 6,084 the CSO thinks. It could be a mix of both scenarios, I find it hard to believe there are only 6,084 Nigerians in Ireland.

Whatever is going on something is not right about it.

https://www.pewglobal.org/interactiv...ws-by-country/
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Heres one I dont get. According to the CSO there are 6,084 Nigerians in Ireland. According to World Bank data in 2017 there was $2.1bn of remittances sent out of the Irish economy to people in other countries. Of that $2.1bn almost a quarter ($471 million) was sent in remittances from Ireland to Nigeria. Which means that for every Nigerian here they sent $77,000 back to Nigeria from Ireland which is approx €68,000. Something doesnt add up here, either Nigerians are using Ireland for some sort of a massive banking scam or there are way more Nigerians in Ireland than the 6,084 the CSO thinks. It could be a mix of both scenarios, I find it hard to believe there are only 6,084 Nigerians in Ireland.

Whatever is going on something is not right about it.

https://www.pewglobal.org/interactiv...ws-by-country/

Wonder who is currently investigating this?
Yep, not being touched with a ten foot pole by any Irish government agency/department.
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... According to the CSO there are 6,084 Nigerians in Ireland. ...
By their nationality or by the country of origin? Does this number exclude those who got their Irish citizenship?
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Government encouraging ghettos?
They've form. Ballymun, Fatima etc.

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Have you a costing of all these social houses versus money spent on emergency accommodation?

Bare in mind 1700 “ social houses” houses at a cost of 300k would equate to half a BILLION euro.

So how many houses are you suggesting and give us the costing and where the money will come from?

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We've covered this. Riddle me this binman, why would anyone in their right mind become a property developer to build houses only to sell at a loss?
Also, a tenant paying rent, to you, or you subsidising the tenants rent to another landlord, which would you prefer?
Feel free to run away like you did last time
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