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Louise O'Neill on manned mission to Mars: "Why not go to Venus?" (MOD Warning post 1)

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  • #122
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    Quick question let's say for arguments sake that women are allowed to leave the workplace for several years to raise a family. During tbis to e they still receive pay increments as if they were working. They cone back to the same salary as I have when I continued to work.

    We are both women but I have more experience and yet get paid the same. Surely that's pay inequality right there ????

    Yes, but the people arguing that there is a gender pay gap aren't arguing your point. Their argument is that women are paid less than men. This is simply untrue.

    It's nonsense though. I earn more than several men in my job. I've done it for longer so I should.

    Why don't feminists get that ????


  • #123
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Brenda O'Brien doesn't have a regular column in the Irish Times.
    If you going to be pedantic at least spell her name right.
    The Iona Institute and people closely affiliated with it, write columns which generate lengthy threads on this site.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/profile/breda-o-brien-7.2276464
    Breda O'Brien is a weekly columnist with The Irish Times, and is also a second-level teacher. She is a frequent contributor to media debates on social, religious, ethical and education issues. She is married and has four children. In the past, she has worked as a columnist with the Sunday Business Post, as a researcher in RTE, and as a video producer. Breda is also a patron of the Iona Institute.

    at least get your facts right.


  • #124
    irishman86
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,814 ✭✭✭irishman86


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Lest we forget.


    https://twitter.com/oneilllo/status/802528519452585984?lang=en

    The comments where the feminist calls her out made my day
    I have a lot of respect for women but i cant stand idiots like her male or female
    Appealing to the ignorant


  • #125
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    People are linking to her tweets and referencing her like she's everywhere. And yet the tweets that get posted only have about 200-something likes. Or whatever. Doesn't really speak of prominence, does it?


  • #126
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    irishman86 wrote: »
    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    Lest we forget.


    https://twitter.com/oneilllo/status/802528519452585984?lang=en

    The comments where the feminist calls her out made my day
    I have a lot of respect for women but i cant stand idiots like her male or female
    Appealing to the ignorant

    Read the four tweets from Caroline Marie thingy. I despair!


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  • #127
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    I've no interest in this person; in fact I've never heard of her before I clicked on this thread, but I'm against people being given a national platform to spread lies. She writes for a national newspaper and therefore has influence.

    Just google "Gender pay gap debunked and you should find plenty of peer reviewed studies that show the concept to be a load of piffle.

    There are also peer reviewed studies that show there is a gender pay gap too. Not saying you’re incorrect, just pointing out that the literature argues both views.


  • #128
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,505 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    can anyone supply any evidence that there is a gender pay gap.
    not made up rubbish but actual facts that 2 people with the same education and experience started in a company at the same time and one got paid more that the other. no you cant , if you could it would be easily brought to a court of law and ruled upon. it hasn't because it simply doesn't happen.

    if you believe these stupid generalised reports then you should believe the one posted in this thread near the start that says that women working part time are paid 5.1 %higher than men. or that northern Ireland supposedly has a pay gap where women are paid 3.4% higher than men. even the article has it worded in favour of women, it is -5.1 %female pay gap. yes a minus so that they don't have to say it properly
    you don't here these stupid feminists bringing up that point


  • #129
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    can anyone supply any evidence that there is a gender pay gap.
    not made up rubbish but actual facts that 2 people with the same education and experience started in a company at the same time and one got paid more that the other. no you cant , if you could it would be easily brought to a court of law and ruled upon. it hasn't because it simply doesn't happen.

    if you believe these stupid generalised reports then you should believe the one posted in this thread near the start that says that women working part time are paid 5.1 %higher than men. or that northern Ireland supposedly has a pay gap where women are paid 3.4% higher than men. even the article has it worded in favour of women, it is -5.1 %female pay gap. yes a minus so that they don't have to say it properly
    you don't here these stupid feminists bringing up that point

    I'm off to ask a mod for special dispensation to thank this 5,000 times!


  • #130
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users Posts: 3,231 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Grayson wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/profile/breda-o-brien-7.2276464



    at least get your facts right.
    Yeah Breda, not Brenda as you repeatedly stated.


  • #131
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,076 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    I'm off to ask a mod for special dispensation to thank this 5,000 times!

    Say you are a woman wanting to break the gender thanks gap.


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  • #132
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Genius sir!!!!


  • #133
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    can anyone supply any evidence that there is a gender pay gap.
    not made up rubbish but actual facts that 2 people with the same education and experience started in a company at the same time and one got paid more that the other. no you cant , if you could it would be easily brought to a court of law and ruled upon. it hasn't because it simply doesn't happen.

    if you believe these stupid generalised reports then you should believe the one posted in this thread near the start that says that women working part time are paid 5.1 %higher than men. or that northern Ireland supposedly has a pay gap where women are paid 3.4% higher than men. even the article has it worded in favour of women, it is -5.1 %female pay gap. yes a minus so that they don't have to say it properly
    you don't here these stupid feminists bringing up that point
    As I said earlier, there IS an earnings gap, there is not a pay gap. If women were being paid less than men for the exact same work under the exact same circumstances
    a. Women would be raking in the compo under discrimination legislation.
    b. Companies would be staffed exclusively by women given that they are cheaper.

    The reality is that women and men on the whole make different choices in terms of careers and family. Women are more likely to work part time. Women are more likely to take career breaks to raise the kids. Women are more likely to gravitate towards careers with lower salary levels. Women more likely to take sick leave (about 40% more).

    Now, if you want to talk about why being a carer and a child raiser is undervalued in our society, I am 100% with you. But don't tell me that I am paid more than my female colleagues doing the same job because this simply isn't true.


  • #134
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    jackofalltrades wrote: »
    Yeah Breda, not Brenda as you repeatedly stated.

    I got a name confused. The two are similar. What's your excuse for stating that she's not a regular contribute to the Irish times when the exact opposite is true.


  • #135
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,076 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Grayson wrote: »
    I got a name confused. The two are similar. What's your excuse for stating that she's not a regular contribute to the Irish times when the exact opposite is true.

    I think he was simply pointing out the person you claimed worked for the Irish Times (Brenda) does not work for the Irish Times. Brenda may not exist.

    Breda (ie. Not Brenda) works for the Irish Times.


  • #136
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Grayson wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/profile/breda-o-brien-7.2276464



    at least get your facts right.

    I enjoyed this post more than I should. :D


  • #137
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    You can only laugh when you see men rushing to her defence on social media and sites like this.

    I would never use buzzwords like beta male or cuck myself but you can kind of see how they have entered the online vernacular.


  • #138
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    The Fake Sheikh wrote: »
    You can only laugh when you see men rushing to her defence on social media and sites like this.

    I would never use buzzwords like beta male or cuck myself but you can kind of see how they have entered the online vernacular.
    There is a large majority who unvolunterily single.


  • #139
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,505 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    can anyone supply any evidence that there is a gender pay gap.
    not made up rubbish but actual facts that 2 people with the same education and experience started in a company at the same time and one got paid more that the other. no you cant , if you could it would be easily brought to a court of law and ruled upon. it hasn't because it simply doesn't happen.

    if you believe these stupid generalised reports then you should believe the one posted in this thread near the start that says that women working part time are paid 5.1 %higher than men. or that northern Ireland supposedly has a pay gap where women are paid 3.4% higher than men. even the article has it worded in favour of women, it is -5.1 %female pay gap. yes a minus so that they don't have to say it properly
    you don't here these stupid feminists bringing up that point
    As I said earlier, there IS an earnings gap, there is not a pay gap. If women were being paid less than men for the exact same work under the exact same circumstances
    a. Women would be raking in the compo under discrimination legislation.
    b. Companies would be staffed exclusively by women given that they are cheaper.

    The reality is that women and men on the whole make different choices in terms of careers and family. Women are more likely to work part time. Women are more likely to take career breaks to raise the kids. Women are more likely to gravitate towards careers with lower salary levels. Women more likely to take sick leave (about 40% more).

    Now, if you want to talk about why being a carer and a child raiser is undervalued in our society, I am 100% with you. But don't tell me that I am paid more than my female colleagues doing the same job because this simply isn't true.
    I agree. That's a totally separate issue.


  • #140
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    The Fake Sheikh wrote: »
    You can only laugh when you see men rushing to her defence on social media and sites like this.

    I would never use buzzwords like beta male or cuck myself but you can kind of see how they have entered the online vernacular.

    You just did. :rolleyes:


  • #141
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Grayson wrote: »
    You just did. :rolleyes:

    Yeah I typed them. Duh.

    I wouldn’t call you a word like that even if it described you very well.


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  • #142
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Does she pay lads on here to start threads about her or something?


  • #143
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    pjohnson wrote: »
    I think he was simply pointing out the person you claimed worked for the Irish Times (Brenda) does not work for the Irish Times. Brenda may not exist.

    Breda (ie. Not Brenda) works for the Irish Times.

    I never said that she did work for the irish times either.

    It's strange how in these threads I have to keep pointing out what I didn't say.


  • #144
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    The Fake Sheikh wrote: »
    Yeah I typed them. Duh.

    I wouldn’t call you a word like that even if it described you very well.


    Duh? The second anyone uses the word cuck or says there's a need for it, then we know exactly what sort of person we'e talking about. ]

    I'd never use the word cnut to describe them but I can see how that would would be useful at those times.


  • #145
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    If it wasn't for AH, I wouldn't know this woman exists or be aware of her opinions.

    She's basically a non-entity who has been given prominence on these pages by people who want her to be a non-entity on one hand, but who also reserve the right to complain about her not being a non-entity on the other, without seeing the irony in giving her the publicity of endless discussions of her every tweet.

    If you want someone to fade from public consciousness, ignore them.


  • #146
    Icemancometh
    Registered Users Posts: 854 ✭✭✭Icemancometh


    Candie wrote: »
    If it wasn't for AH, I wouldn't know this woman exists or be aware of her opinions.

    She's basically a non-entity who has been given prominence on these pages by people who want her to be a non-entity on one hand, but who also reserve the right to complain about her not being a non-entity on the other, without seeing the irony in giving her the publicity of endless discussions of her every tweet.

    If you want someone to fade from public consciousness, ignore them.

    Not sure I'd agree with her being a non-entity, but fully agree with the final line. Every time you post about her, or link to an article/tweet, you're publicising her more and more. Just don't look, just don't look.


  • #147
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,505 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Candie wrote: »
    If it wasn't for AH, I wouldn't know this woman exists or be aware of her opinions.

    She's basically a non-entity who has been given prominence on these pages by people who want her to be a non-entity on one hand, but who also reserve the right to complain about her not being a non-entity on the other, without seeing the irony in giving her the publicity of endless discussions of her every tweet.

    If you want someone to fade from public consciousness, ignore them.
    The problem is that her and her kind of crap are not non entities . There vile ideas are dealing into society and into our media. As a result these vile ideas are being beloved by gullible and impressionable people who believe this crap.


  • #148
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    The problem is that her and her kind of crap are not non entities . There vile ideas are dealing into society and into our media. As a result these vile ideas are being beloved by gullible and impressionable people who believe this crap.


    This kind of thing is the reason she's got an audience though.

    She's in the media because she gets people talking. If nobody talked about her and she generated zero buzz, she'd be gone.

    It's a vicious circle that works in her favor. She's in the media outraging people and people talk about how she's outraged them, which keeps her in the media and spotlight.


  • #149
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Grayson wrote: »
    I'd never use the word cnut to describe them but I can see how that would would be useful at those times.

    To quote yourself
    Grayson wrote: »
    You just did. :rolleyes:


  • #150
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    The Fake Sheikh wrote: »
    To quote yourself

    I think my use of irony was lost on you.


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  • #151
    buckwheat
    Registered Users Posts: 344 ✭✭buckwheat


    the_pen_turner wrote: »
    The problem is that her and her kind of crap are not non entities . There vile ideas are dealing into society and into our media. As a result these vile ideas are being beloved by gullible and impressionable people who believe this crap.

    I've never met a single person in real life, male or female, who believes a single bit of the mental crap she spouts. Ignore the silly ****er. Be grand.


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