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Golf Lockdown Discussion ** No discussion of breaking Restrictions **

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    #602
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users Posts: 2,867 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    1 of 7 wrote: »
    Looks like no decision today from the GUI, It will run until tomorrow.

    It is not within the remit of the GUI to make the decision. They will be advised by Sports Ireland and must follow that advice.


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    #603
    Wichita Lineman
    Registered Users Posts: 48,742 ✭✭✭✭Wichita Lineman


    Hopefully it wont be like the last time when rugby, soccer and GAA representatives voted to close golf clubs. GUI wasnt even at the meeting.


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    #604
    benji79
    Registered Users Posts: 517 ✭✭✭benji79


    Wichita Lineman wrote: »
    Hopefully it wont be like the last time when rugby, soccer and GAA representatives voted to close golf clubs. GUI wasnt even at the meeting.

    When did clubs close?


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    #605
    newport2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭newport2


    benji79 wrote: »
    When did clubs close?

    The first lockdown


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    #606
    benji79
    Registered Users Posts: 517 ✭✭✭benji79


    newport2 wrote: »
    The first lockdown

    I can’t even remember at this stage. How long was it for again? And at what stage were comps allowed?


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    #607
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    benji79 wrote: »
    I can’t even remember at this stage. How long was it for again? And at what stage were comps allowed?
    Gone from 23rd March until 18th May. Comps not back until 1st July.


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    #608
    VW 1
    Registered Users Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭VW 1


    First Up wrote: »
    For GAA, soccer and rugby, "elite" refers to the level of performance. Only the highest levels of those sports will allowed play and only in controlled circumstances. The equivalent in golf is the European or PGA Tour.

    All of these are being facilitated for the entertainment of the audience - and the commercial rewards around which they revolve at that level.

    Amateur golfers are not among the "elite" of the sport. They play for fun and nobody is watching them. Some people may be confusing high level or "elite" performance with the perception of golf as a socially elite pastime.

    I don't think I got my point across as intended.

    I'm not saying social or top amateur golfers are comparable to elite sports people.

    Elite sports people are exempt as they don't risk infecting people through their "day job". On that basis, gaa shouldn't be allowed to proceed for me, if golf and easily social distanced sports aren't allowed.


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    #609
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    It is not within the remit of the GUI to make the decision. They will be advised by Sports Ireland and must follow that advice.

    True but as you can see from above, the gui are in talks with sports Ireland putting forward the case to keep golf open.

    It seems to me that last time they had no fight, but this time around at least they appear to be trying

    As mentioned by someone earlier, 5his is not just for 6 weeks now, we are probably in this for at least another year so we need to make sure the righ5 decisions are made now, because if golf gets shut down now, it will be a rolling thing for the foreseeable till we have vaccines


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    #610
    Whiplash85
    Registered Users Posts: 737 ✭✭✭Whiplash85


    Seve OB wrote: »
    True but as you can see from above, the gui are in talks with sports Ireland putting forward the case to keep golf open.

    It seems to me that last time they had no fight, but this time around at least they appear to be trying

    As mentioned by someone earlier, 5his is not just for 6 weeks now, we are probably in this for at least another year so we need to make sure the righ5 decisions are made now, because if golf gets shut down now, it will be a rolling thing for the foreseeable till we have vaccines

    And what if we dont have vaccines like has been the case more often than not before?


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    #611
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    And what if we dont have vaccines like has been the case more often than not before?

    Then we are all fu*’3€


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    #612
    is this username available
    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭is this username available


    Got notified through football club this evening that following a query to Dublin Co board they confirmed it was okay to break the 5km rule to bring children to training.

    Doesn’t make sense that GAA would have a different rule for this.


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    #613
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭blue note


    is this username available wrote: »
    Got notified through football club this evening that following a query to Dublin Co board they confirmed it was okay to break the 5km rule to bring children to training.

    Doesn’t make sense that GAA would have a different rule for this.

    I'm glad they're making a few exceptions for kids. I'm guessing that's a rule for kids training in general?

    You'd feel so sorry for them in all this covid stuff. At least us adults can appreciate why we're making the sacrifices, even if they don't always agree with them.

    I wonder would the gui push to allow underage comps even if it's adults aren't allowed to play?


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    #614
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    We are in very dangerous area here. Civil liberties are been eroded everyday. What do wer do when these measures do not work

    There is no going back. This is new baseline. If golf is removed this country is ****ed.

    Another industry along with the pub industry destroyed despite evidence suggesting both have very little impact on case numbers


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    #615
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    We are in very dangerous area here. Civil liberties are been eroded everyday. What do wer do when these measures do not work

    There is no going back. This is new baseline. If golf is removed this country is ****ed.

    Another industry along with the pub industry destroyed despite evidence suggesting both have very little impact on case numbers

    That’s a bit melodramatic.


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    #616
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    We are in very dangerous area here. Civil liberties are been eroded everyday. What do wer do when these measures do not work

    There is no going back. This is new baseline. If golf is removed this country is ****ed.

    Another industry along with the pub industry destroyed despite evidence suggesting both have very little impact on case numbers
    There is definitely evidence of pubs and restaurants being points of transmission. There was a comparison done recently between Madrid and New York. NY had their pubs and restaurants closed and Madrid open and there was quite a striking difference in the growth rates between the two cities.


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    #617
    gypsy79
    Registered Users Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    There is definitely evidence of pubs and restaurants being points of transmission. There was a comparison done recently between Madrid and New York. NY had their pubs and restaurants closed and Madrid open and there was quite a striking difference in the growth rates between the two cities.

    And no other differences between the cultures!! That isnt very good evidence to support a claim like that

    Sweden never shut restaurants and have a 14 day rate 20% of ours

    They have also done some testing and believe that over 20% in their cities have antibodies


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    #618
    Hoboo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Ladies can play, well some of them.


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    #619
    PARlance
    Registered Users Posts: 21,093 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Got that earlier... nearly had me.


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    #620
    Roger_007
    Registered Users Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Hoboo wrote: »
    Ladies can play, well some of them.
    So ladies with handicaps up to 24 are considered ‘elite’? That’s certainly stretching the definition of elite.


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    #621
    Rikand
    Registered Users Posts: 20,340 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Take up Gardening or Hill Walking - Cant wait to show that one to dad who is just after getting out to a 25 handicap :D


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    #622
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    And no other differences between the cultures!! That isnt very good evidence to support a claim like that

    Sweden never shut restaurants and have a 14 day rate 20% of ours

    They have also done some testing and believe that over 20% in their cities have antibodies
    There's a lot more to it than what I posted. I'm not going to regurgitate an entire study in a response to what was essentially a rant. It didn't deserve that. If you want to have a go at the study, look it up and email the authors with your erudite critique.


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    #623
    hurleronditch
    Registered Users Posts: 656 ✭✭✭hurleronditch


    gypsy79 wrote: »
    We are in very dangerous area here. Civil liberties are been eroded everyday. What do wer do when these measures do not work

    There is no going back. This is new baseline. If golf is removed this country is ****ed.

    Another industry along with the pub industry destroyed despite evidence suggesting both have very little impact on case numbers

    This is completely disingenuous and ignorant. The level of transmission whilst playing golf has been non-existent I would reckon, and whilst I’m sure there has been the odd case through dining in a club bar or restaurant I would reckon the numbers could be counted on one hand.

    To say that in the same breath as pubs, who have been widespread sources of both close contact and community transmission ever since they opened their doors is ludicrous. I’d love to have the pubs still open, but they are a huge risk area, and as much as I don’t want to see any pub (or any other business for that matter) close, until the numbers are under control or we have moved on from this nasty thing, they will have to remain operating on a very limited basis whenever they are permitted to open.


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    #624
    First Up
    Registered Users Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    VW 1 wrote:
    Elite sports people are exempt as they don't risk infecting people through their "day job". On that basis, gaa shouldn't be allowed to proceed for me, if golf and easily social distanced sports aren't allowed.


    Elite players are few enough in numbers to allow them be tested frequently and with elaborate tracing systems.

    Of course there is risk but it is considered manageable. That doesn't apply to social golf or wider participation in other sports.


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    #625
    Hoboo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    First Up wrote: »
    Elite players are few enough in numbers to allow them be tested frequently and with elaborate tracing systems.

    Of course there is risk but it is considered manageable. That doesn't apply to social golf or wider participation in other sports.

    GAA isn't elite though.

    Off the topic of GAA, I'm feeling confident about the decision today. As pointed out before, they must be in lengthy talks. Either that or they're biding time so they can pull the shutters before letting us know. Cross everything.


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    #626
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,008 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Hoboo wrote: »
    GAA isn't elite though.
    To be fair, inter-county players are at the very top of the sport. That's elite in the context of GAA sports.


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    #627
    hurleronditch
    Registered Users Posts: 656 ✭✭✭hurleronditch


    Hoboo wrote: »
    GAA isn't elite though.

    Ya, the Dublin footballers or Tipp hurlers are average. Give any of us a jersey and a pair of boots and we’d do a job shur....


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    #628
    Euphoriasean
    Registered Users Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Euphoriasean


    Hoboo wrote: »
    GAA isn't elite though.

    In the context of Ireland inter county GAA is most certainly elite. If 82,000 turning up for a final of a sport & 1m+ watching on TV is not enough to deem a sport as elite well i don't know what is.


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    #629
    TheUnderfaker
    Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭TheUnderfaker


    Who cares about GAA? Anyone got the inside line on what GUI are gonna do?


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    #630
    dk1982
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭dk1982


    TheUnderfaker wrote: »
    Who cares about GAA? Anyone got the inside line on what GUI are gonna do?

    Alot of lads here clearly do anyway. Some serious chips on shoulders by the sounds of it! Rugger folk no doubt!


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    #631
    Felexicon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    hurleronditch wrote: »
    Ya, the Dublin footballers or Tipp hurlers are average. Give any of us a jersey and a pair of boots and we’d do a job shur....

    With that username I'm not sure if this is serious or not.


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