Crimes that have stayed with you for years

Spanish Eyes · 10-08-2020 7:04pm

This thread has made me realise how easy it is to forget crimes and horrendous ones at that.

But maybe that's what our minds do, because to keep them there would be awful also.

So sorry for all the families who lost loved ones in distressing circumstances, and those who cannot locate their loved ones either.

gmisk · 10-08-2020 7:28pm

sugarman wrote: »

I dont know if its been mentioned already, but a lot of stuff from the days of "the Troubles" come to mind.

I was only reminded by some of it from catching "Reeling in the Years" the other week.

Growing up seeing some of the atrocities in the news committed by both sides during the height of it was surreal. As a child I obviously didn't fully understand what was going on or why ...and it was frightening to see it happening so close to home on the Island of Ireland. I couldn't imagine growing up the areas of Derry, Belfast and Tyrone etc.. where it was actually happening.

The like of...

Milltown Cemetery attack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCOe7gJuaO8

...the subsequent Corporals killings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wgem-f85hE

Loughinisland Massacre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYqDCNsuVOQ

Omagh Bombing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzDgv8HeQAc

...to sadly highlight only a few that come to mind.

There is a doc called no stone unturned about the loughinisland massacre it's excellent.

raclle · 10-08-2020 7:38pm

The beheadings that started being publicised after 9/11. I wasn't right for days after reading that ****

Odhinn · 10-08-2020 7:41pm

raclle wrote: »

The beheadings that started being publicised after 9/11. I read an article in one of our tabloid newspapers about an American or British journalist being killed thinking how the f**k can anyone do that to someone. I wasn't right for days

Daniel Pearl, I'd guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Pearl

Galwayguy35 · 10-08-2020 8:06pm

The Brendan O Donnell case back in 1994, I'm near the Clare border and he was arrested not to far from where I live.

The priest he killed was in our parish for a while but while his murder was terrible what O Donnell did to the mother and son was even worse.

rob316 · 10-08-2020 8:11pm

I was watching Netflix last night a series world's most wanted. Episode on it about the financier of the Rwandan genocide. I almost forgot the savagery of these war crimes. 800,000 men, women and children burned alive, raped and hacked to death with machetes. This wasn't bombs or even much ammunition, this was predominantly savage hand to hand combat. Stuff of nightmares and it all took place over a 100 days.

paddydriver · 10-08-2020 8:14pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

I think Graham Dwyers crimes will live long in the memory. Especially following the trial, day after day more shocking details came out. Just when you thought you couldnt be shocked any further it comes out that he enjoyed stabbing women while having sex with them, it was real WTF stuff.

Then the fact he had gotten away with the murder for around 18 months but cracking it all came down to a Garda getting in a lake to retrieve a bag that contained a set of keys and handcuffs. The keys had a Tesco clubcard fob on the ring which linked them back to Elaine o'Hara. The case would never have been solved without that Garda being so persistent.

You should read the Paul Williams book on this.. it is very good. I cycle out thru Roundwood on a regular basis and always think of the Gard there who went back and lifted that stuff out of the mud... great policework!

paddydriver · 10-08-2020 8:19pm

I remember being in Quinnsworth Stillorgan when Don Tidey was released - they announced it over the PA in the shop at the time and a big cheer and clapping went up around the whole shop. RIP a Garda and I think someone from the Army who was killed in the shootout to rescue him.

omeara1113 · 10-08-2020 8:21pm

It would be sarah payne for me remember it like it was yesterday

Spanish Eyes · 10-08-2020 8:22pm

For a small enough country we sure have had our share of murders, kidnapping, missing persons and politically/terrorist motivated crime haven't we.

iamstop · 10-08-2020 8:31pm

The tragic case of Tina Fontaine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Tina_Fontaine

roofer1988 · 10-08-2020 8:51pm

coinop wrote: »

What would be true justice, in your opinion? Hanging from a noose?

Maybe the same treatment the 2 people got in first post only do it every day for abput 10 years

sydthebeat · 10-08-2020 8:55pm

The murders by Richard Chase on 27th January 1978.

Itssoeasy · 10-08-2020 8:57pm

Well the James burger one because I was eight years old and my youngest brother was born the day before or after it happened so I have a vivid memory of that time. I mean the awfulness of it was because James bulger was really young and also the two lads who killed him weren't that much older than me. I think one of the two has somewhat kept his head down since he was released but the other lad seems to be a mess and was arrested for child porn.

freshpopcorn · 10-08-2020 9:00pm

Holly Wells and Jesisca Chapman murders, I remember I was about the same age as them and I sort of believed they were kidnapped and were going to fine. I remember there picture being on the News during that Summer. It sort of made me relies the World wasn't a nice place.
Robert Holohan was another case that stuck with me. I was a little older than him but I remember I had a fair idea he wasn't coming home. We returned to school after Christmas and it's all anybody was talking about. I was with my mother in Tesco and a lady told us his body had was found.

Rachel O'Reilly was another case. That I paid a lot of attention to.

A case in the UK I remember was the murder of Johanna Yates in Bristol who went missing just before Christmas. In the days after it was big news, the CCTV of her in the bar, In Tesco, etc was all over the news. Then we all thought we knew who did it. It was an old eccentric guy that lived in the apartment below her and everybody thought he did it and the media gave him a terribly time. It turned out that it was another guy from an apartment that did it.

screamer · 10-08-2020 9:02pm

The soham case really affected me, and poor April Jones in Wales Jesus they were two awfully grim ones. Another one and maybe not a crime but was of a farmer who carried his child into the sea with him and they both drowned in Kerry or Cork if I remember correctly.
I often wonder how the hell do people who serve duty duty on these grim cases ever return to normal, I don’t think I’d have the mental capacity to deal with the details and human tragedy.

Pelezico · 10-08-2020 9:05pm

paddydriver wrote: »

You should read the Paul Williams book on this.. it is very good. I cycle out thru Roundwood on a regular basis and always think of the Gard there who went back and lifted that stuff out of the mud... great policework!

I wonder if that was a one off by him.

screamer · 10-08-2020 9:09pm

omeara1113 wrote: »

It would be sarah payne for me remember it like it was yesterday

I remember being in England on holiday with family when she went missing. My Nan used to be like a hen on a riddle minding us, and would freak out if we left the garden. When this happened I understood why.

TheAnalyst_ · 10-08-2020 9:13pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Byrd_Jr.

Tony EH · 10-08-2020 9:16pm

The Bulger case is an obvious one and has already been mentioned.

But one for me that I'll never forget was the case of Coleen Stan, who was kidnapped and kept as a sex slave, by a couple of weirdos in America, for 7 years. She was kept in a box under their bed, or else had a box over her head, so her sense were dulled. She was kept in her box for 23 hours a day for years and became so brainwashed by her tormentors that she eventually came to accept her "position". She was even allowed get a job, to phone her parents and on one occasion was allowed to visit them...and then she returned to her captors!

Man Vs ManUre · 10-08-2020 9:18pm

Haven’t seen a mention of the Jastine Valdez murder. Very recent but truly horrific and pointless. Whatever would have possessed that guy to do what he did that day?? Could he have done it before tho he was probably too young to have abducted the other missing women in Leinster. It seems like, not saying that he wasn’t an unsavoury character before that day, but seems it was o once-off crime. Did he intend to kill her or was it a case that he abducted a girl who fought back?? Even the reports of the abduction showed that he violently attacked her. The coroner report said there was coke in her system but I would think he was forcing her to take it. Do t mean to be insinsitive but did he rape her?? It didn’t say in the coroner report, maybe some things are held back for the family sake. In any case that poor girl probably never harmed anyone in her life, and to be taken like than by a monster who by doing so also ended his own life, and he had a few months old child at the time. Totally bizarre and tragic.

smelly sock · 10-08-2020 9:26pm

Sandy Hook I think. The images of the kids, not mich more than toddlers being shielded by their teachers is horrific. Then the numbers that where killed came out. Savage.

Spanish Eyes · 10-08-2020 9:26pm

Any females involved in such atrocities? Sometimes men have to acknowledge their anger towards women. It is usually man on woman or on kids.

Has to be said.

But no doubt someone will come up with a woman, yes they are out there for sure, but honestly it is usually men. Don't know why but it is a fact.

10-08-2020 9:28pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Any females involved in such atrocities? Sometimes men have to acknowledge their anger towards women. It is usually man on woman or on kids.

Has to be said.

But no doubt someone will come up with a woman, yes they are out there for sure, but honestly it is usually men. Don't know why but it is a fact.

There was that woman,who killed her kids in dublin in jan (jesus that feelz a lifetime ago now,over covid)

freshpopcorn · 10-08-2020 9:28pm

Manuela Riedo the Swiss student in Galway was another one she was only in Ireland a few days and I really remember the picture of her.

smelly sock · 10-08-2020 9:30pm

Wayne O'Donoghue was the fella who killed little Robert Holohan and then joined the search. Knowing full well he had left hos body in a ditch to rot.

He has been out for years.

Wrong.

Spanish Eyes · 10-08-2020 9:34pm

Deleted User wrote: »

There was that woman,who killed her kids in dublin in jan (jesus that feelz a lifetime ago now,over covid)

Not sure about what you are referring to, a link would be good.

In fairness, most of this stuff is caused by men. Remember the murder of an entire family in Cavan I think, by the husband. He was exhumed in the end and buried elsewhere. And the bloke who killed his two sons and drove away with them.

It is easy to forget all these things, and the common denominator is men, much as I wish it were otherwise.

smelly sock · 10-08-2020 9:36pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Not sure about what you are referring to, a link would be good.

In fairness, most of this stuff is caused by men. Remember the murder of an entire family in Cavan I think, by the husband. He was exhumed in the end and buried elsewhere. And the bloke who killed his two sons and drove away with them.

It is easy to forget all these things, and the common denominator is men, much as I wish it were otherwise.

I'd disagree. Usually when a man commits it he is labelled evil and twisted and rightly so. When a Woman does it though its because they are mentally ill or society has pushed them to it. When in fact they are as evil as the men.

Pelezico · 10-08-2020 9:36pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Not sure about what you are referring to, a link would be good.

In fairness, most of this stuff is caused by men. Remember the murder of an entire family in Cavan I think, by the husband. He was exhumed in the end and buried elsewhere. And the bloke who killed his two sons and drove away with them.

It is easy to forget all these things, and the common denominator is men, much as I wish it were otherwise.

That case has to go before a court yet guys.

10-08-2020 9:37pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Not sure about what you are referring to, a link would be good.

In fairness, most of this stuff is caused by men. Remember the murder of an entire family in Cavan I think, by the husband. He was exhumed in the end and buried elsewhere. And the bloke who killed his two sons and drove away with them.

It is easy to forget all these things, and the common denominator is men, much as I wish it were otherwise.

Literally a female robert hawe

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-51302107

The fathers speech at the funeral,would shake even the hardest person

Crimes that have stayed with you for years

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