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  • Registered Users Posts: 35 Ciarachino


    Hi everyone!

    Just wondering how you sarcies are getting on with the sunshine we have been having over the last few days??


  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭Raytown Rocks


    Ciarachino wrote: »
    Hi everyone!

    Just wondering how you sarcies are getting on with the sunshine we have been having over the last few days??

    Hi there

    Good question. I was infomed last week to stay out of it.
    Spent the weekend sitting in the shade a lot, was a pain in the Bum as I am a bit of a sun worshipper.
    Off on an extened holiday soon and not sure how I will cope not being in the sun. WIll be very warm abd sunny there boo hoo.

    Can anyone tell me what affects it actually has on us. I will go google now but be nice to hear form real people.
    In answer to the question I was ok over the weekend, Felt a bit under the weather yesterday evening though, not usre if its related.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭swanangel


    Hi Chef,

    Sorry I replied to your last post few days ago but when I look now it's not there!

    Hopefully all goes well for you in the next year and it goes into remission, what kind of dose steroids do they want you to stay on?

    I was with the derm doc on Monday, couldn't wait any longer for the Prof to send out my test results so I just went in and told her I needed to get the ball rolling, it has been 21 business days and he still has not sent my letter of results to my GP or Derm doc. I'm not impressed by him at all besides this both times I saw him I'm in the middle of asking questions he decides to stand up and walk to the door as if to say 'consultation is over get out' while I'm there trying to find out what sarcoidosis means for me. I am meant to go back and see him in Oct for all the tests again, cat scan, PFT etc but I may ask my GP if I can be a public patient, it's not like paying private got me any special treatment bar a quicker appointment.

    Anyway, rant over ha!

    Derm doc put me tablets (Tetracyclines) & two creams (one of the creams cost around 100 euro, no new handbags for me ha!) if they don't work then I must go on anti-malarial drugs and if they don't work then steroids if she can't try something else. I have read about Tetracyclines & anti-malarial drugs being used for sarcoid, they are always trying to find alternatives for long term steroid use it seems.

    What is funny is the derm doc is the only one to advise me to get my eyes checked when I told her I was having eye symptoms (not now but Jan, Feb, March & April.) You don't even have eye symptoms and they recommend it, how does that work? Hope your eyes are ok, I'd say you will be fine it's just a precaution. Mine don't hurt anymore, just a little pocket of swelling left. She said I have to be carful of uveitis.

    Also regarding the sun, I don't know how it works for each person I think it depends on the type of sarcoid you have. I have read of people being very tired (I'm always very tired on hols but I think it's cause I'm Irish and we can't take the heat).
    I am not a sun worshipper I worry about skin cancer and stuff like that but I was out and about in it at the weekend and I didn't feel any different, one of the creams I will be using does not allow me out in the sun I have to put it on at night as it has an increased risk of skin cancer. To be honest I doubt these creams will work for my sarcoid face and body and the tablets take at least two months to get into your system so no quick fixes here if they do end up helping.

    I read people saying that they discovered they had sarcoid after a sun holiday as it 'aggravated' their symptoms, it's such a weird disease you could drive yourself mad reading about it.
    You should try the 'Inspire' website, mostly American people but a lot of sarcoidosis forums on there and you will find lots who have your type.

    How does the sun effect you Ciarachino?


  • Registered Users Posts: 35 Ciarachino


    Hi Swanangel

    I hope you are well at the moment! This last weekend was the worst I have felt after being in the sun!! It completely drained me - I was walking around like a Zombie!! I had stiffness in my ankles and all I wanted to do was sleep - not easy with two small kids who just want to be outside....Glad To See The Rain;)!! You said about your consultant looking like he wanted to kick you out of his office, I read a piece written by a doc explaining how doctors who dont know enough about whats going on tend to do that! I am a public patient attending the resp dept(aswell as Heamotology,Urology and Ophthalmology) in Blanchardstown and have to say that apart from delays in test results they are very good over there!! I also visit on different days sometimes so that I see a different consultant rather than the same one all the time to get a different look at things!

    Ciarachino
    KHL


  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭Raytown Rocks


    HI SwanAngel

    Jesus you seem to have it worse than me, I feel for ya.
    I had an eye test last week. Its free if your a PRSI worker from most opticians. Was told my eyes were fine no sign of anything wrong and I still have 20/20 vision. Not bad for a 40 year old. Basically have to go see him again in 18 months.
    In relation to the prof, I was done and dusted very quickly I must say, from initial GP visit to CT and Broch was under 2 weeks ( and would have been quicker but for th BH). Then 1 week more for results.

    I am still on prednisilone but am now only on 5mg a day for the next 10 days. I was not prescribed any more steroids. Think its a case of wait and see what happens when I come off them.
    I was precribed a few things for my hayfever which seem to be working.

    @ Ciarachino

    Sorry to hear about the sun being so bad on ya, that sucks.I did read a few things about the Vitamin D adding to calcium build ups which in turn affect the kidneys. Although I read it online and the internet would lead me to believe I should never leave the house again.

    Well folks I wish you both the very best with this, and will be on here for regular updates form you both, and to share any new stmptoms or any improvemets.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,089 ✭✭✭✭LizT


    Hi everyone,

    Just to let you know, there is a lot of information about sarcoidosis on isarc.ie with links to specialists etc.

    I was at the AGM of ISARC a few months ago and there was a specialist over from America and he gave a very good presentation. It's available here.

    There's a lot of medical information in it and it's a bit hard to understand but definitely worth a read if you want to understand a little bit more about sarcoidosis. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭swanangel


    Ah no Chef I feel you got a worse deal with the Sarcoidosis and Ciarachino, I call you guys the proper sarcoiders!
    I feel that if I was to go around moaning about how my face looks or that my eyes were sore and then in a few years I get hit with bad systematic sarcoidosis like I read about I would be crying for the old one to come back.

    I do freak myself out reading on line about people going blind or that skin Sarcoid is a sign of chronic Sarcoid but then I think that Sarcoidosis doesn't seem to be a straight line for anyone, it seems to effect a lot of people so differently. My partner asked the derm if I will have to take medicine forever and she said ''Don't be so pessimistic'' I love how she dodged the question.
    It's like when I ask my GP questions about it and he answers ''It's rare'' to them all.

    Ciarachino - How long would you wait on test results on average?
    My GP originally said go public but then said if I can go private go because I was getting quite nervous about my lungs and stuff, I freaked myself out mentally you see because I have suffered with panic issues in the past.

    I feel awful for you that the sun makes you so tired and stiff and you have two babies to look after so no rest for you! It's funny the first thing I asked when the GP said they thought I might have something called Sarcoidosis was ''Can I have babies if I have that?''

    Chef I hope you are good as new when you come off the steroids, let us know! Glad your hay fever is getting better too, I used to have that it's so frigging annoying.


  • Registered Users Posts: 35 Ciarachino


    Hey folks

    How you all doin?? I hope you guys are all well! After my last post I thought I would be a glutton for punishment and head off with the clan on a sun holiday and thanks to my wife covering me in factor 50 and insisting on me wearing the largest hat she could find we had a great time with no issues(touchwood)!

    Swanangel you were asking the last day about how long it took for me to get test results? I think I was venting that day as I had been back to the hospital that afternoon for results on tests that they had done a week earlier and they hadnt got them. I had gone to my gp the previous week as I woke one morning with a brand new jawline and he suspected I had mumps!! Told him I had them as a kid and after some head-scratching he decided to send me to see my consultant!! Some more head-scratching later by them they decided on doing a couple of tests to definetly rule out mumps!! 7 days later no results!! Back with them this week so hopefully they will have a plan for me! Mumps never arrived but swelling still there! Cant wait till wednesday!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 230 ✭✭lilminx


    Hey all

    Just got off the phone and got the results of biopsy taken 4 weeks ago and you guessed it, I have sarcoidosis. Not sure of the condition as I've ever only heard it mentioned on House.

    Bit of a background

    When I was 15 I got glandular fever and a few months later, my knees swelled up to the size of footballs and my back locked. Was in a wheelchair for a few weeks until the swelling subsided; after getting them drained and on a load of drugs. I was apparently quite a phenomenon as they couldn't figure out what it was that caused it... mentioned all the usual suspects... it's never lupus..

    Carry on to when i was 19 and I was given the diagnosis of non-rheumatoid arthritis and fibromyalgia. I wasn't too happy with either of these to be honest as I felt they just couldn't find a box to put me in so threw me in there - wasn't much know about fibro I guess.

    So on and off over the intervening years, I have had numerous periods where i'd flare up; chest infection followed by total muscle and joint inflammation and spasms with chronic pain and insomnia. Was out of work and on disability the whole shebang. In between times, I'd have the pain and the chronic fatigue but could fight through it well enough to have some kind of life..

    Fastforward to about 2 years ago, my last full flare-up, this mark appeared on my face. Asked GP and was told it was just an auto-immune response to my flare up and it would go in time. Numerous times mentioned to a few different docs and a few scrapings taken for tests etc and steroidal cream given. No effect, in fact it spread.

    Now, having been on steroids quite frequently which have added weight, finding it hard to exercise yada yada, not having much of a life, chronic pain and fatigue, I'd been dealing with since i was 15, nigh on 20 years, but these marks on my face really got to me. I always had perfect skin dammit!

    so anywhoo... another GP sent me to a specialist and he came up with the sarcoidosis piece of the puzzle - first thing he said when he saw the marks.

    Biopsy came back today confirming. I just wanted to get it out of my head and onto a page to be honest. Can't really talk to my family at the moment as we are pretty much living through the greatest tragedy to befall us all in my lifetime. I feel selfish even talking about it. But I'm worried, if not a little relieved and I needed to share.

    Any advice appreciated.


    TL/DR Newly diagnosed. Help


  • Registered Users Posts: 35 Ciarachino


    Evening everybody! How you all doin? Lilminx how you getting on? I hope things have settled down a bit for you now! As for myself I got put back onto steroids after two years!! Sarc active again and pred required! This time my parotid gland wanted in on the action!! Struggling on the steroids this time!! Appettite and brain fog driving me mad!! Hopefully will only be a short time back on the steroids!

    KHL

    Ciarachino


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  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭Raytown Rocks


    Hi guys

    Has been a while but was waiting for some news, and TBH I dont really have any until tomorrow. Went back last week to hospital for the 3 month checkup, bloods,x-ray and PFT. Go to see the doc tomorrow for his opinions.
    Well Ciarachino, I spent a month in the sun after diagnosis ( pre booked holiday), spent a good bit of time under umbrellas etc, but also a bit of time in the sun. I had no adverse affects that I could see ( fingers crossed)

    Anyway so far not feeling to bad, still have a bit of a cough, but not so bad as originally.

    Will keep you all posted tomorrow

    Good luck all

    Jay


  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭Raytown Rocks


    lilminx wrote: »
    Hey all

    Just got off the phone and got the results of biopsy taken 4 weeks ago and you guessed it, I have sarcoidosis. Not sure of the condition as I've ever only heard it mentioned on House.

    Bit of a background

    When I was 15 I got glandular fever and a few months later, my knees swelled up to the size of footballs and my back locked. Was in a wheelchair for a few weeks until the swelling subsided; after getting them drained and on a load of drugs. I was apparently quite a phenomenon as they couldn't figure out what it was that caused it... mentioned all the usual suspects... it's never lupus..

    Carry on to when i was 19 and I was given the diagnosis of non-rheumatoid arthritis and fibromyalgia. I wasn't too happy with either of these to be honest as I felt they just couldn't find a box to put me in so threw me in there - wasn't much know about fibro I guess.

    So on and off over the intervening years, I have had numerous periods where i'd flare up; chest infection followed by total muscle and joint inflammation and spasms with chronic pain and insomnia. Was out of work and on disability the whole shebang. In between times, I'd have the pain and the chronic fatigue but could fight through it well enough to have some kind of life..

    Fastforward to about 2 years ago, my last full flare-up, this mark appeared on my face. Asked GP and was told it was just an auto-immune response to my flare up and it would go in time. Numerous times mentioned to a few different docs and a few scrapings taken for tests etc and steroidal cream given. No effect, in fact it spread.

    Now, having been on steroids quite frequently which have added weight, finding it hard to exercise yada yada, not having much of a life, chronic pain and fatigue, I'd been dealing with since i was 15, nigh on 20 years, but these marks on my face really got to me. I always had perfect skin dammit!

    so anywhoo... another GP sent me to a specialist and he came up with the sarcoidosis piece of the puzzle - first thing he said when he saw the marks.

    Biopsy came back today confirming. I just wanted to get it out of my head and onto a page to be honest. Can't really talk to my family at the moment as we are pretty much living through the greatest tragedy to befall us all in my lifetime. I feel selfish even talking about it. But I'm worried, if not a little relieved and I needed to share.

    Any advice appreciated.


    TL/DR Newly diagnosed. Help

    HI there lilminx

    I hope all is going better for you soon, and hope the issues at home get better for ya.
    In relation to being diagnosed I suppose all I can say is you must be relieved to actually have a diagnosis.
    I would hope that now they know what it is it can be treated.
    You seem to have gone through the mill compared to some ( myself included)
    I would say speak to someone if you can as this thing is long lasting per say,and could be a year or 2, so having someone to chat too will help despite the bad times at home, a problem shared and all that.

    Be prepared for regular hospital visits and tests. Listen to what the doc says.
    Cut down on calcium and too much sunlight ( its ireland 2nd bit should be easy :-) )
    Hopefully this could be the beginning of the end of your ongoing condition.

    Ask lots of questions both of your doc and on here.
    Most importantly be positive, because to be honest this is managable.

    Keep us posted

    Jay


  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭Raytown Rocks


    chef wrote: »
    Hi guys

    Has been a while but was waiting for some news, and TBH I dont really have any until tomorrow. Went back last week to hospital for the 3 month checkup, bloods,x-ray and PFT. Go to see the doc tomorrow for his opinions.
    Well Ciarachino, I spent a month in the sun after diagnosis ( pre booked holiday), spent a good bit of time under umbrellas etc, but also a bit of time in the sun. I had no adverse affects that I could see ( fingers crossed)

    Anyway so far not feeling to bad, still have a bit of a cough, but not so bad as originally.

    Will keep you all posted tomorrow

    Good luck all

    Jay

    Ok So a Quick update

    Was back at the consultant this morning.
    Hes happy with the results, bloods are fine,pft normal,and the x-ray shows the lungs are improving.
    Was hoping to finish all the inhalers but alas the opposite.
    Have to continue on them and he has added another plus a saline nasal spray.
    Also have to get the flu jab.
    Basically he doesnt want me to get any major flu's/infections over the next 6 months as they can aggravate the sarc.

    So overall hes happy, so I am happy.

    So thats me for the moment, good luck all

    Jay


  • Registered Users Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    hi would anybody know if i would get a medecal card as ihave sarcoidosis i never tried as i alway;s taught i would be refused 'thank;s


  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭Raytown Rocks


    hi would anybody know if i would get a medecal card as ihave sarcoidosis i never tried as i alway;s taught i would be refused 'thank;s

    Hi

    A mediacal card is awarded based on your income and personal circumstances, and not on your ailment.

    Jay


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,278 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    chef wrote: »
    Hi

    A mediacal card is awarded based on your income and personal circumstances, and not on your ailment.

    Jay

    Not 100% accurate. Some serious illnesses- such as various cancer diagnosis, automatically qualify for a medical card (I think they're processed automatically- you don't even apply).


  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭Raytown Rocks


    smccarrick wrote: »
    Not 100% accurate. Some serious illnesses- such as various cancer diagnosis, automatically qualify for a medical card (I think they're processed automatically- you don't even apply).

    Ok I gladly stand corrected :D
    However I cant imagine that you would qualify based on Sarcoidosis.


  • Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭sethasaurus


    I'd like to give my input, as I was diagnosed with sarc 3 years ago but refused steroids from the beginning. I am on a different treatment that is aimed at curing by re-enabling the body's ability to fight the cause of the disease, rather than treating symptoms (which is not a cure).

    If you get acute onset sarc, you are luckier and will most likely not suffer as much as those with the insidious type (like I have).

    Sarcies, on average, die 10-20 years beyond diagnosis (that is the number from WASOG, the sarc pulmonologists).

    Most experienced doctors are aware that steroids don't cure sarc in the long run. I have talked to several specialists who have admitted it, but they really don't have any other ammo to throw at this disease, apart from wheelchairs, oxygen tanks, and lung transplants.
    Apart from lung involvement, sarc can affect all parts of your body, organs, neurological systems, GI tract, everything.

    The steroids do give you short-term palliation by suppressing your immune system. This makes you feel good and stops the symptoms your body would normally experience (fatigue, pain, shortness of breath, edemas).

    If you take a look at the drug dosage information for prednisone, for example, the graph starts off with a high dose, then gradually lowers to the smallest dose, then nothing (which when the doc will be watching, fingers-crossed to see if you go into remission or not). The graph then continues and repeats itself.
    This is the rollercoaster a lot of people ride, sometimes for years, while (usually) their fat deposits build up, hormones are thrown out of balance and the immune system is suppressed, which leads to more vulnerability to pathogens.

    Some people are told to stay out of the sun, yet the doctors don't really know why this is (only from anecdotal evidence, that it helps people to feel less terrible).
    The reason behind the sun affecting sarcies is actually known, although the science is complex and disputed by anyone who thinks vitamin D is good for you.

    One thing that Vitamin D does is suppress your immune system, which makes you feel good. Some people are even addicted to the sun, and even sunbeds for the same reason. The rest of us are knocked flat by exposure to UV or Vitamin D because we have a particular disease process that is affected by it.

    If your eyes are affected, my advice is at least get yourself some sunglasses that block a good portion of UVA and UVB light. This won't cure you but it will help.

    The problem with chronic disease is that it is not like a flu or a broken leg. You may suffer the flu for a week and be back at work. You may catch some bacterial infection, go to the GP and get some antibiotics and be well within a month. You might break your leg, but in around 6 weeks you'll be back in action.

    With chronic diseases like sarc, ME, etc, the condition has been building in your system for many years - sometimes 10, 20, 30 years before you see symptoms. Understandably, these are diseases that are not curable in a week, a month or even a year. Chronic disease can be especially insidious and affect many parts of you and will take a long time to heal, given you can tip the balance back in your favour.

    Unfortunately, mostly, the medical community can supply a lot of "band-aids". Most drugs and treatments are useful for making people feel better while they battle something, but don't actually provide a cure. The human body, however is very good at healing itself, providing the healing mechanism hasn't been turned off. This is what happens in chronic disease.

    I'm losing my train of thought now, as it's 3:30am, but I hope that makes sense to some of you.

    After another round of steroids and relapse, will you be looking forward to doing it all again? I know people who have tried acupuncture, reiki, juicing (bad idea, btw), prayer, homeopathy and other options but they just won't work.
    Everyone knows that no amount of positive attitude will grow back an arm, for example. Neither will it cure chronic disease. You need to tip the balance back in your favour to recover.


  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭Raytown Rocks


    I'd like to give my input, as I was diagnosed with sarc 3 years ago but refused steroids from the beginning. I am on a different treatment that is aimed at curing by re-enabling the body's ability to fight the cause of the disease, rather than treating symptoms (which is not a cure).

    If you get acute onset sarc, you are luckier and will most likely not suffer as much as those with the insidious type (like I have).

    Sarcies, on average, die 10-20 years beyond diagnosis (that is the number from WASOG, the sarc pulmonologists).
    Most experienced doctors are aware that steroids don't cure sarc in the long run. I have talked to several specialists who have admitted it, but they really don't have any other ammo to throw at this disease, apart from wheelchairs, oxygen tanks, and lung transplants.
    Apart from lung involvement, sarc can affect all parts of your body, organs, neurological systems, GI tract, everything.

    The steroids do give you short-term palliation by suppressing your immune system. This makes you feel good and stops the symptoms your body would normally experience (fatigue, pain, shortness of breath, edemas).

    If you take a look at the drug dosage information for prednisone, for example, the graph starts off with a high dose, then gradually lowers to the smallest dose, then nothing (which when the doc will be watching, fingers-crossed to see if you go into remission or not). The graph then continues and repeats itself.
    This is the rollercoaster a lot of people ride, sometimes for years, while (usually) their fat deposits build up, hormones are thrown out of balance and the immune system is suppressed, which leads to more vulnerability to pathogens.

    Some people are told to stay out of the sun, yet the doctors don't really know why this is (only from anecdotal evidence, that it helps people to feel less terrible).
    The reason behind the sun affecting sarcies is actually known, although the science is complex and disputed by anyone who thinks vitamin D is good for you.

    One thing that Vitamin D does is suppress your immune system, which makes you feel good. Some people are even addicted to the sun, and even sunbeds for the same reason. The rest of us are knocked flat by exposure to UV or Vitamin D because we have a particular disease process that is affected by it.

    If your eyes are affected, my advice is at least get yourself some sunglasses that block a good portion of UVA and UVB light. This won't cure you but it will help.

    The problem with chronic disease is that it is not like a flu or a broken leg. You may suffer the flu for a week and be back at work. You may catch some bacterial infection, go to the GP and get some antibiotics and be well within a month. You might break your leg, but in around 6 weeks you'll be back in action.

    With chronic diseases like sarc, ME, etc, the condition has been building in your system for many years - sometimes 10, 20, 30 years before you see symptoms. Understandably, these are diseases that are not curable in a week, a month or even a year. Chronic disease can be especially insidious and affect many parts of you and will take a long time to heal, given you can tip the balance back in your favour.

    Unfortunately, mostly, the medical community can supply a lot of "band-aids". Most drugs and treatments are useful for making people feel better while they battle something, but don't actually provide a cure. The human body, however is very good at healing itself, providing the healing mechanism hasn't been turned off. This is what happens in chronic disease.

    I'm losing my train of thought now, as it's 3:30am, but I hope that makes sense to some of you.

    After another round of steroids and relapse, will you be looking forward to doing it all again? I know people who have tried acupuncture, reiki, juicing (bad idea, btw), prayer, homeopathy and other options but they just won't work.
    Everyone knows that no amount of positive attitude will grow back an arm, for example. Neither will it cure chronic disease. You need to tip the balance back in your favour to recover.

    Hi

    Can I ask you to expand on this part, are you saying all sufferers or those with acute sarc.
    Thanks
    Jay


  • Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭sethasaurus


    Jay,

    I am writing with respect to chronic sarc.

    They (WASOG) say erethyma nodosum and fever remit spontaneously within about 6 weeks, lymphadenopathy may take a year or so to subside).
    You might want to read this:
    http://www.ildcare.eu/Downloads/artseninfo/Sarcoidosis_Statement_1999.pdf

    Acute onset sarc seems to remit much quicker. I can't find the original reference to that statistic right now, but I would say that it would be more relevant to chronic sufferers.

    The problem is that while sarc patients are followed up on every 6 months or 1-2 years, many of them relapse much later on (especially those on steroids!) and 10-20 years down the track may be seeing a different doctor, having relocated or whatever - so the long-term prognosis for this disease is not well known. In the short term, the doctor believes they have been successful (observing remission).

    I know mostly people with chronic sarc. A school friend of mine was diagnosed with the acute version and he told me after a short time (months), he was fine again.

    Chronic sarc, in most cases, is going to last years.

    There are untold numbers of diseases in the chronic disease spectrum, and what they call 'Sarcoidosis' is one of them, although one person's sarc will not be the same as the next. Similarly, there are around 300 different types of disease, which are all labelled as 'cancer'.

    Co-morbidities are very common also. Most people with one type of chronic disease are diagnosed with something else as well (ME, IBS, Chrohn's, Sarc, RA, Psychological/Neurological disorders, MS, diabetes, and many others).

    Some interesting reasearch has been done (note the graph of bacteria found in cigarettes..):
    http://mpkb.org/_media/home/publications/proal_hmrc2010.pdf

    Currently, most of the medical community would be of the view that there is a 'trigger' for Sarc and other chronic diseases like Lyme or CFS. The fact is, they cannot narrow it down in any case to any one particular trigger - not one thing in particular constitutes a cause (e.g. talc is listed as a factor for sarc, but seriously, talc on it's own does not cause sarc).

    A lifetime exposure to everything around us from even before birth (including pathogenic load from parents, via conception and childbirth), results in each person's own blend of bacteria, virii, fungi, heavy metals and other antigens. These are the things that form the recipe for your own particular disease.
    The 'trigger' that often occcurs after 30-40 years of life (and often sooner, especially in the case of childhood diabetes and obesity) is usually the scapegoat for a particular diagnosis.

    The head of the NIH has also admitted that genetic research into disease is almost useless (despite gene research being one of the most heavily funded realms of medicine). We have already picked the low-hanging apples from the tree, as far as curing a few types of disease. The majority of the remaining unexplained and 'incurable' diseases will have to be dealt with in a different way, although current medical knowledge is really behind the times with respect to modern research - the info just hasn't filtered through yet.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭alexjk


    Hi sethasaurus,

    What type of treatment are you following at the moment? Is it nutrition based?

    With regards to morbidity, my doctor has been relatively frank about what the reality is which I find more helpful than being told it'll spontaneously heal.

    I didn't know that talc was cited as a factor for sarc, I use it on a regular basis.

    I'm at the end of my 2nd course of steroids in 4 years of diagnosis, I think that my doctor is going to put me on Plaquenil next month as he's very keen to take me off prednisone (and I can't wait to stop taking it). I put a lot of weight on the first time I was on pred, between 3 and years ago but this time the weight gain was minimal as my diet is completely different. I don't eat grains or gluten, I instead eat vegetables and fruit in their place and it's made a huge difference.


  • Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭sethasaurus


    Hi Alex,

    The protocol I am on relies on taking a drug which reactivates the body's natural defence mechanism against the pathogens causing the problem. This particular drug also protects your system against fibrosis (what the pulmonologists are worried about when they look at your lungs). Also very important is avoidance of sunlight and various foods.

    When I say co-morbidities, I mean additional diseases (most people with one chronic disease are often diagnosed with others).
    I know that some doctors will say that the disease will 'burn itself out eventually', but this is just not true. Sarc never just goes away on its own, often relapsing several years further down the road.

    Most people I talk to are taking their doc's advice and using prednisone and similar immunosuppressants. Think about what that means for a moment - you are shutting off your immune system. When these drugs don't work, the doc steps you up to another, 'better' drug, which is just more immunosuppression.

    When you get a disease, your body naturally fights it with the immune system, the antibodies are destroyed and filtered out through the normal process (lymphatic system, kidneys & liver). As this happens, you feel pain or discomfort - immunopathology. These are normal reactions. Remember the last time you had the flu? Did it made you ache and sneeze and cough and feel like your head was crushed in a vice? These are the symptoms. You know can't get a pill to cure it. You can take ibuprofen for your headaches and fever, for example, but you still have to wait it out while your body does it's job and clears out those nasty bugs.

    If we suppress the immune system, we don't get the symptoms, but neither do we cure the underlying problem. That is why steroids don't work in the long run.
    They give you short-term relief, switching off your body's normal defenses and making you feel better. In the meantime, you are open to any number of new infections, and also, the underlying disease process that occurs (e.g. in chronic disease) is allowed to progress unchecked.
    (Hence the steroids 'rollercoaster').

    I personally don't believe that shutting down the immune system is the way to cure disease, and there is a whole lot of new research that points the finger at pathogenic causes for chronic diseases.

    Many sarc sufferers do not die from sarc. Some die from pneumonia, some from c. difficile or other opportunistic infections.

    I know quite a few people who are on steroids, and I feel sorry for them, but they keep on getting worse, while I feel I am slowly, slowly improving.
    They choose to feel better right away, but then pay the price in side-effects shortly after. I am playing the long game - I'm not the best right now (I could be a lot worse, actually) but I know the future is more promising than what is in store for my friends. I have already seem people dead and buried because of sarc, and I don't think it's as low as the "1 to 5%" mortality rate that the docs will quote you..


  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭alexjk


    Thanks for the detailed answer! I'm interested in finding out the name of the drug you are taking, I like doing research on treatments that are not steroid based. I don't believe the 1 to 5% mortality rate either. I don't know anyone in person with sarcoidosis but a few people I've talked to online have died and quite young as well.

    A medical student friend says nobody really knows for definite what causes it so it's about trying to treat symptoms rather than the underlying cause. My experiences so far go along with that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 86 ✭✭sethasaurus


    If you want info, you can check out www.mpkb.org
    Unfortunately, on the various sarcoidosis support forums and websites, they actively ignore anyone mentioning the Marshall Protocol.
    The truth is, it is not understood very well by a lot of people (including doctors, specialists, and research scientists) and people tend to rubbish things they do not understand.

    I have always been pretty critical and wary of anything that seems too good to be true, but on further examination, one finds the MP is based on some pretty solid research, not to mention the many people who have had their health restored since the online study began around 20002. 12 years of progress, and everyone I speak to would rather be on this track than taking steroids. Many of them swear wouldn't be here today (and some of them were VERY sick) if it wasn't for this treatment.

    There are any number of papers you can quote to support it, but as with many things, there are many papers you can quote to refute it. The fact is, there are people running on the beach with their families now, who, 5 or 6 years ago were unable to get out of bed. Too many people believe that 'it's all downhill from here', and choose to maintain, or put up with their suffering.

    Fortunately, you can make your own decisions on healthcare, not just blindly go where the medics point you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 304 ✭✭Jaffusmaximus


    Hi hope everyone is well. I was just wondering that it has been 4 years since I was knocked for six with a really bad episode of sarc, could hardly move the pain was so severe. I had lung biopsy that came up positive but since then all has gone quite. My question is has anyone here had it bad then clear but come back again? It's always on my mind not knowing what control I have over my body! My feet still hurt from time to time and also aching joints. I'm 33 male so I have a lot of time left to be thinking about this aspect of my health!


  • Registered Users Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I am also on the Marshall protocol for the past 5 years. Before I started I was on a coctail of drugs because I had a lot of lung involvement. I also had other symptoms but didn't relate them to Sarc, however, now I know they were. I was initially diagnosed 25years ago and was on steroids a number of times up to 5 years ago. I decided mysely that I needed to stop and find a better way as I felt any benefits from steroids were wearing off and the symptoms were getting worse especially the involvement in my lungs. I have chronic (long term) sarc and marshall has been a real benefit to me. The only symptoms that I feel are still present is the lung involvement, however, this is always the slowest and last symptom to clear.


  • Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭Raytown Rocks


    Hi All

    Just a quick follow up, sorry its been a while.

    Been back for a 3 month check up and the prof tells me things are heading in the right direction.
    Lungs are improving ( so says the x ray) and generally he's happy with the way things are going.
    Next visit is in 6 months.
    Continue on the avamys and inhaler and nasal cleanser and see where we are in August or so.
    Hope your all keeping well

    Jay


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,663 ✭✭✭JoeyJJ


    Diagnosed recently, have to see how my lungs are tomorrow, also have done lots of breathing tests and eye tests. I am currently going private however vhi excesses and consultant fees are raking up. Hoping to find out what is the extent and may have to revert to public system.


  • Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭Pepsie


    Keep us updated of how you get on JoeyJJ, I wish you well.

    Actually this Ireland Sarcoidosis Group has not been to active in recent years.
    Perhaps we could all reactive this group & start with a basic Roll Call of our numbers here in Ireland, so that we can help one another with; Medical news, Sarcoidosis Specialists, Treatment, etc...

    I will get the ball rolling with myself;

    User name: Pepsie
    Sex: Male.
    Year of birth: 1967 - Present age: 48.
    Diagnosed year: 1996 aged 28 with 10cm brain tumour mass, partial removal of growth mass with brain surgery, later shown to be NeuroSarcoidosis.
    Current Treatment: Symptoms managed by local family doctor only. No available Specialist
    Based in: North Wicklow/South Dublin.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭CathyMoran


    Pepsie that is interesting that yours was diagnosed post surgery for what they initially thought was a tumor. Mine was diagnosed post a biopsy of my liver, I had been diagnosed and treated for oesophageal cancer when I was only 32 but the 18 month scan showed something in my liver but thankfully the biopsy showed that it was only scarcoidosis. I have not had any further treatment for it and am 41 at this stage and am a mother of a 4 and 5 year old.


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