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25-03-2019, 07:52   #31
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Is there something wrong with being at home minding kids and doing housework?

Should women be the default minder, and since its a full time job, should they be paid accordingly?
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25-03-2019, 08:06   #32
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Should women be the default minder, and since its a full time job, should they be paid accordingly?
Paid by who?
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Is there something wrong with being at home minding kids and doing housework?
It's a far tougher job than going to work tbh.

*dad with 3 kids
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Seems like Ireland needs some laws guaranteeing income for the abandoned partner, alimony, child support, whatever. Coming from the US, the number of women whose partner has disappeared and doesn't provide a cent of care is astounding. And even if there are such laws, they need enforcement - garnishing wages, fines, imprisonment.

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Abandoned? Its a way of life and strategic game plan for many. Supported by a lazy government who facilitarates and rewards them and refuses to provide the resources to police their fraudelent claims or make their partners pay for their offspring by stopping paymwets at source from their salaries or dole - or investigating their incomes. iIn many casrs there is an institutional intergenerational refusal to work or pay your way in society. Abandoned my Áras. Ask the CEO of the so called Dublin' homeless ' authority -the formula is well known and utterly abused.

And for the no doubt long gone OP - you married into an old (aged) traditional Catholic family - 8 kids 70 year old in-laws - did you expect them to change ?! Habbits of a lifetime are rarely changed by in-laws and that model of a father providing and a hardworking stay at home mother is hardly unusual -nor the concept that one goes out to work and brings home the £, and the others work is the home and the children with everything financially provided for. Not an unusual model.

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Abandoned? Its a way of life and strategic game plan for many. Supported by a lazy government who facilitarates and rewards them and refuses to provide the resources to police their fraudelent claims or make their partners pay for their offspring by stopping paymwets at source from their salaries or dole - or investigating their incomes. iIn many casrs there is an institutional intergenerational refusal to work or pay your way in society. Abandoned my Áras. Ask the CEO of the so called Dublin' homeless ' authority -the formula is well know and utterly abused.
Unfortunately without data I can't confirm what you're saying, but every governmental system has corruption. Sadly, the government here have abdicated the responsibility to the courts, which isn't working and is very costly. Having a well managed government agency (preceding might be an oxymoron!) could help. But, what's happening here isn't working, and individuals going through the courts doesn't scale.
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Facilitating lifelong dole dossers and encouraging children to fecklessly have children with the guarantee of a 3 bedroom house for e20 a week for life with all services provided free of charge by the hardworking poor & that beside their mother is unacceptable & the driving force behind the so called homeless figures.

As for the courts - if the fathers were required to be named on the birth certs they could be simply through revenue or their dole payments be required to pay for their children by the payments being stopped at source. You can be sure there would be far less 4x4's or 3x3's if the fathers had to uphold the cost for 18 years of their penis rather than making other fathers married and/or comitted to their children and other hardworking families pay for their unwanted children and casually discarded responsibilities. Its not a complex matter to organise. They did it overnight with water charges and house tax.

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Should women be the default minder, and since its a full time job, should they be paid accordingly?
Who said that women are the default minder? Not me. If you decide as a couple to have children then you are accepting that they will have to be cared for. By one of their parents or by another appropriate adult. If you want to have a habitable home and home cooked meals then you accept that one of you or both of you will have to share those chores, or pay someone else to do it.
It’s entirely your choice. It’s all your desicion.
Who on earth do you think should be paying an adult to mind their own children and clean their own house?!?
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It's a far tougher job than going to work tbh.

*dad with 3 kids
It sure is.
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As for the courts - if the fathers were required to be named on the birth certs they could be simply through revenue or their dole payments be required to pay for their children by the payments being stopped at source. You can be sure there would be far less 4x4's or 3x3's if the fathers had to uphold the cost for 18 years of their penis rather than making other fathers married and/or comitted to their children and other hardworking families pay for their unwanted children and casually discarded responsibilities. Its not a complex matter to organise. They did it overnight with water charges and house tax.
Amazing that they're not named on birth certs here. Is it optional or not required? Seems like it certainly *can* be entered, bogus if it isn't required: https://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...your_baby.html
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The law was changed a number of years ago to not require a fathers name on the birth cert. Strike one for fathers rights, childrens rights and open house on a lifelong gateway to social welfare fraud.
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Amazing that they're not named on birth certs here. Is it optional or not required? Seems like it certainly *can* be entered, bogus if it isn't required: https://www.citizensinformation.ie/e...your_baby.html
It’s not required. If a woman isn’t legally married she can’t enter a mans name on a birth cert unless he gives his permission.
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The law was changed a number of years ago to not require a fathers name on the birth cert. Strike one for fathers rights, childrens rights and open house on a lifelong gateway to social welfare fraud.
You never needed a fathers name on a birth cert.
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. I find it quite contradictory that they are also in a cohabitation situation with the children's fathers and there are multiple fathers.
I have no idea what this means? Sounds like some hippy commune!
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30 years ago, yes. Now its not that common at all. In rural areas there'd still be slightly more people with that idea than in urban areas.
Where are you getting this big rural/urban divide ? If you are going on stereotypes then that's like me saying that women are more likely to suffer domestic violence in an urban area.
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Of course bringing a man to court for maintenance and actually receiving the maintenance awarded are two very different things.
Maintenance can be attached to earnings so that it is automatically taken from income at source, especially if there is a history of missing payments.

Alternatively maintenance can be directed to be paid through the district court office. If payments are not made the court service will issue a summons on the defaulter.
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