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14-03-2011, 13:28   #16
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Defeat to Limerick yesterday.
0-10-0-5 down and a great comeback until Stephen Jordans sending off virtually took the wind out of our sales,when it was level at 1-11 to 0-14.
We need to do something about all these sendings offs. Jordan got gate against Tyrone in the McKenna Cup earlier on,and you have to feel some sympathy for him,as he is not an IC corner back,and has never played there for Lavey, for whom he lines out at Centre Field or in the half forward line The selection of Alan Clarke,probably our best option at CHB in the corner is another ridiculous decision.
The appearance of Michael Lyng,and Eugene Keating are good signs however.

15 points really should win you a game in the National Football League.
Had Limerick not lost all of their games before yesterday too? Cavan are looking more like candidates for relegation than promotion at this stage.

As for Stephen, he's never played in the backline for Lavey as you say so not sure why Terry and Val decided to put him there but it looks like it's because they haven't a recognised corner back who's better.

The League campaign has been a poor one though. Plenty of work needed and I'd agree with Celt262 above that enough players aren't cutting it at IC level.

The lack of quality in Cavan football in general is also a problem. I often attend Meath club matches and I find that some of their intermediate teams would easily match some of our senior sides. The football up there just seems to be of a higher standard.
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There is a lot of debate on the Kilkenny football thread about weaker hurling counties and Cavan is a county that keeps cropping up.

What are the views of Cavan fans about the intercounty hurling team,the county board structures for development and the weekly thrashings they are receiving?Also can Cavan fans provide insight into the proposal to disband the hurling team?
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There is a lot of debate on the Kilkenny football thread about weaker hurling counties and Cavan is a county that keeps cropping up.

What are the views of Cavan fans about the intercounty hurling team,the county board structures for development and the weekly thrashings they are receiving?Also can Cavan fans provide insight into the proposal to disband the hurling team?
might be a case not just on Cavan though, but for a lot of counties who dont put the same level of interest into hurling. Liam Griffin came out against the Ulster counties who opposed changing rule 42, but did nothing to promote hurling. he saw the irony in that.
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There is a lot of debate on the Kilkenny football thread about weaker hurling counties and Cavan is a county that keeps cropping up.

What are the views of Cavan fans about the intercounty hurling team,the county board structures for development and the weekly thrashings they are receiving?Also can Cavan fans provide insight into the proposal to disband the hurling team?
I don't know the circumstances but it is the case that the Cavan hurlers are losing by phenomenal scorelines against teams which themselves would not be very strong, certainly immeasurably weaker than all the Div 4 football teams apart from Kilkenny. How is this happening?
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There are many problems in Cavan football.

The standard at Championship level on the club scene is very poor, the Gaels have very little competition, skill levels are poor.

The players when they reach county level are happy with that. Happy to be in possession of a county jersey and not interested in much more. Ive seen guys on the morning of Ulster Championship matches worrying about what clothes to wear out that night!!!

The drinking Culture is a joke, 2 day sessions after matches is a joke after a Championship match, win lose or draw. The players who have talent are arrogant and are of the opinion they know it all.

I could say more but I wont. Please feel free to comment agree/disagree
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14-03-2011, 22:27   #21
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There is a lot of debate on the Kilkenny football thread about weaker hurling counties and Cavan is a county that keeps cropping up.

What are the views of Cavan fans about the intercounty hurling team,the county board structures for development and the weekly thrashings they are receiving?Also can Cavan fans provide insight into the proposal to disband the hurling team?
Blackbelt,i commented about the Cavan hurlers situation on that Kilkenny Footballer thread,
The reason they are so poor this year,is due to them missing a fair few of their best players,many of whom are disillusioned with what was going on within the set-up and certain members of the county board airing views over disbanding the team,didnt help an already precarious situation. Cavan would have a very small Hurling pick as it is,,so taking away some of their best players would have the disasterous effects, we are seeing in the 2011 NHL .If you look at Cavans performances over the last few years,they have won multiple games, in 2010 we beat South Down and Layyytrum ,and lost narrowly against the rest(except for Monaghan who gave us a trimming)
Yourself excluded, as at least you had the decency to ask about the situation,some of those having a go at the Cavan Hurlers on that thread, might want to look at the improvements they have made over the last few years(2011 excluded obviously), and find out about what is going on behind the scenes before they start their mud-slinging.

There is work going on at underage level,with Cootehill,Baileborough,Kingscourt,Ramor/Munterconnacht and more, all having established underage teams(under 8/under 10) and putting in the work.
Its going to be 10/12 years im afraid before we will see the benefits.

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id agree with many of your points,and maybe im a bit too optimistic about the current situation in Cavan football.
I was reading the Cavan GAABoard thread,and there was a comment from a Limerick view that
"The Cavan defence was, by far, the most porous Limerick have come up against this year".
What do ye reckon the solution is??



Martin Cahill Dermot Sheridan ??????

John McCutcheon Alan Clarke Mark McKeever/Ronan Flanagan



When you take Gunner and Michael H out of the equation,we are short of options big time.
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Blackbelt,i commented about the Cavan hurlers situation on that Kilkenny Footballer thread,
The reason they are so poor this year,is due to them missing a fair few of their best players,many of whom are disillusioned with what was going on within the set-up and certain members of the county board airing views over disbanding the team,didnt help an already precarious situation. Cavan would have a very small Hurling pick as it is,,so taking away some of their best players would have the disasterous effects, we are seeing in the 2011 NHL .If you look at Cavans performances over the last few years,they have won multiple games, in 2010 we beat South Down and Layyytrum ,and lost narrowly against the rest(except for Monaghan who gave us a trimming)
Yourself excluded, as at least you had the decency to ask about the situation,some of those having a go at the Cavan Hurlers on that thread, might want to look at the improvements they have made over the last few years(2011 excluded obviously), and find out about what is going on behind the scenes before they start their mud-slinging.

There is work going on at underage level,with Cootehill,Baileborough,Kingscourt,Ramor/Munterconnacht and more, all having established underage teams(under 8/under 10) and putting in the work.
Its going to be 10/12 years im afraid before we will see the benefits.
I can see how missing a few of the top players in a relatively small pond would cause the problems, but what I don't understand is why some members of the board were airing views of disbanding. They were doing ok upto this year. Were there a few dual stars and they wanted to make the decision for them? A tad confused by that.
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The players who have talent are arrogant and are of the opinion they know it all.
Not that I pretend to know anything about Cavan football.. but I had the.. experience.. of a certain Cavan footballer a few times. He fitted your description and more.

Cavan football needs to forget about past glories and start all over imo.
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I can see how missing a few of the top players in a relatively small pond would cause the problems, but what I don't understand is why some members of the board were airing views of disbanding. They were doing ok upto this year. Were there a few dual stars and they wanted to make the decision for them? A tad confused by that.
To tell you the truth,its actually more than a few of their best players,that they are without,i only recognise about 3/4 names on the team that were annihilated against Longford at the weekend,all the best players from the last few years dont seem to be involved.
I dont know the reasons behind those members airing their views over the disbanding of the team,they were calling for the money set aside for the senior hurlers set-up to be put entirely into the underage set-up. Those members obviously dont understand that you can have a senior team aswell as promote and improve the underage structures

With regards to dual players,Supposedly there were problems with some of the Mullahoran players training with their Senior Footballers instead of the county hurlers and this caused ruptions with other players as training attendances were poor at times last year. Seeing as Mullahoran backbone the side,its easy to see how problems and arguments arose.
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Does anyone agree that the demise of St.Pat`s,Cavan as a major footballing school has had an effect on the current standard of the blues?
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Does anyone agree that the demise of St.Pat`s,Cavan as a major footballing school has had an effect on the current standard of the blues?
Agree 100%
Although the new introduction of the transitition year,hopefully will close that 1 year age disadvantage that St Pats have at McRory level.
They have always been competitive at Dalton/Corn Na Nog/Brock and Rannafast,Its just the McRory and the age gap,that has always been the problem.
They won the Dalton in 2010 and the same team finished runners up to Omagh CBS in the Corn na Nog a few weeks ago,so hopefully we will see this team and others coming through to compete with Ulsters elite at McRory in a few years time.
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I would disagree with that also.



They are good footballs but to say that they are going to be stars is wrong as none of them have done nothing at IC level as yet.



Jelly does not seem to do it when he is needed and apart form the Wicklow game last year has not done much in Championship games.


Club football in Cavan is poor and the best club players are not making it at IC Level.
I'm sorry but the point on Jelly never doing it when we needed him is just plain incorrect. He did it almost alone against Wicklow last year, the year before he played a stormer in the first round against Fermanagh and was double marked against Antrim, the year before that he destroyed Antrim in the preliminary round in Casement single handedly and was, along with Big Dermot and James Reilly, one of the best performers against Armagh. In the 2007 League he was responsible for something like 70% of our scores.. Johnston is petulant and sometimes selfish but he is our only quality consistent forward who would make any team in Ireland.

The huge problem is our defence.. The forwards against Limerick twice pulled Cavan back into the game after poor defensive play, coming back to level after halftime and again after the first goal. Cavan need to sharpen up at the back. Tactics can't be right if Limerick can walk through unchallenged, they could have had 5 goals. If the individual talent to man mark isn't there then the management need to introduce a system to consolidate the defensive weaknesses. Defend in numbers or employ a sweeper.
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There is a lot of debate on the Kilkenny football thread about weaker hurling counties and Cavan is a county that keeps cropping up.

What are the views of Cavan fans about the intercounty hurling team,the county board structures for development and the weekly thrashings they are receiving?Also can Cavan fans provide insight into the proposal to disband the hurling team?
I'll be honest, I know nothing about hurling and I have no wish to know anything about Cavan hurling. Like alot of Cavan people, I've no interest in the sport and, to be honest, I don't see the point of having a hurling team either. I'd watch the odd game on television but wouldn't go out of my way to make sure I see it.

There are something like 2 or maybe 3 hurling clubs in the whole of Cavan. Cavan is a county of only 64,000 people. Only Leitrim, Sligo, Roscommon, Monaghan and Longford have a lower population. Have you seen any of them exceed at hurling?

The population just isn't there to support two sports in counties like Cavan. The GAA should focus on getting hurling going in counties like Meath where only one sport is strong despite a population of 160,000 people.

Also, because population is low, alot of teams struggle to field 15 players at some levels in football. I've often seen lads playing minor, U21 and senior football or U10, U12 or U14 for example. Do you think these lads have time for all these training sessions, matches and then hurling as well? It'd lead to total burnout and burnout is a big problem in Cavan as it is.
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Does anyone agree that the demise of St.Pat`s,Cavan as a major footballing school has had an effect on the current standard of the blues?
I'm not sure it has. St Pat's has dropped off but Virginia has become a force at schools level. The U14 team won the Ulster schools championship at their grade last week and they won a couple of all-irelands there a few years back.
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