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06-05-2020, 14:43   #2791
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Which PME course if any would you recommend to study to become a qualified primary school teacher if you had a very young family (2 very young kids) to consider too?

Just trying to weigh up options and decide if a PME is for me when I move back home after being abroad for a long time.

Hibernia appears the most flexible but it seems to be less attractive to potential employers.

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14-05-2020, 21:38   #2792
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Which PME course if any would you recommend to study to become a qualified primary school teacher if you had a very young family (2 very young kids) to consider too?

Just trying to weigh up options and decide if a PME is for me when I move back home after being abroad for a long time.

Hibernia appears the most flexible but it seems to be less attractive to potential employers.
Who told you that?
Ya sure you'll get some snobby teachers and Principals who'll only consider their own Alma Mater, but if you've done the time then you're no different to any other PME graduate.
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maynooth were very nice and flexible, worth a thought.
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Hiya, have 2 offers on the table from Marino and DCU PME primary. I live in North county Dublin so the two of them work in terms of location. I know the course is intense but I also have a young son so would like some flexibility the odd time it's needed. Any thoughts on which might be better? My gut is saying Marino.

Also we had been planning to have a last go at iVF this year. We've had a number of failed cycles so it's unlikely to work but just trying to plan around it in case it did. If I was due say at Easter next year, would it be possible to do the Easter- summer portion of the year in 2021 and then carry on with year 2 from September or am I better aiming to do IVF at a time that would let me finish the acedemic year if I was to fall pregnant!
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21-06-2020, 23:32   #2795
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Hi.
Someone might be able to help me.

I want to do second level teaching.
I have always wanted to teach.
So I want to apply for a PME.

However my situation is complicated and if anyone could set me straight, I would be very grateful.

I have a pass undergraduate degree (Medicine) from years back.

I am currently finished second year in another undergraduate course that has pretty much all the modules covered for the two subjects I would like to teach (Maths and Physics).

If I was to not continue this course and apply for a PME course now, I would not have third year (but the modules I have done up to now should be the equivalent of the 10% component of third year modules that you need).

I know the requirements of the teaching council are:
1. Undergraduate degree and
2. Sufficient relevant modules for subjects you want to teach.

My questions are:

Can you combine an undergraduate degree in Medicine with sufficient two years worth of modules from the undergraduate course I am doing now to satisfy teaching council requirements.

The undergraduate degree:
Does the undergraduate degree have to be a 2:1 or will a pass suffice (my undergraduate degree is a pass). I would find it hard to accept that this would bar me from teaching but I want to make sure. Incidentally I have Masters in a science subject as well and if that changes anything.

The modules:
If modules from 2 years of my current course cover the teaching council requirements (from looking at their website), will this be ok to teach these subjects if I combine this with the undergraduate degree above.

Are there significant differences between the various PMEs.
I am looking at Trinity, Hibernia and UL.
Are there any you would not recommend at all.

I notice Hibernia is not listed as one of the PME courses on the teaching council website.
Is Hibernia not as recognised as the other PME courses. Is it mostly online and if so is this an issue.

Apologies for all the questions.
I'm mainly interested in settling the first question (combining separate undergrad degree with relevant modules from current unfinished course).

Appreciate any help.
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I notice Hibernia is not listed as one of the PME courses on the teaching council website.
Is Hibernia not as recognised as the other PME courses. Is it mostly online and if so is this an issue.
Hibernia is no less accredited than any other PME provider. It could be a mistake, or you could be researching registration in a subject which Hibernia doesn't have.

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If I was to not continue this course and apply for a PME course now, I would not have third year (but the modules I have done up to now should be the equivalent of the 10% component of third year modules that you need).
For my subjects, it's necessary to have 60 relevant ECTS credits, including at least 15 from third year or higher. That seems to be the general rule.

You should be able to count the ECTS credits at master's level, if they're relevant and if the module title is prescriptive enough. If you did well in the master's, your class of primary degree shouldn't be a barrier.

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Hibernia is no less accredited than any other PME provider. It could be a mistake, or you could be researching registration in a subject which Hibernia doesn't have.



For my subjects, it's necessary to have 60 relevant ECTS credits, including at least 15 from third year or higher. That seems to be the general rule.

You should be able to count the ECTS credits at master's level, if they're relevant and if the module title is prescriptive enough. If you did well in the master's, your class of primary degree shouldn't be a barrier.
On the teaching council website for maths for example, it says a small percentage (10% IIRC) of modules from third year or modules equivalent to this.

The "modules equivalent to this" would apply in my case from what I have done already in two years in my course.
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On the teaching council website for maths for example, it says a small percentage (10% IIRC) of modules from third year or modules equivalent to this.

The "modules equivalent to this" would apply in my case from what I have done already in two years in my course.
I've never seen that before. Is it 10% of modules or 10% of credits? Do you mean 10 credits?
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I've never seen that before. Is it 10% of modules or 10% of credits? Do you mean 10 credits?
Credits sorry
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On the teaching council website for maths for example, it says a small percentage (10% IIRC) of modules from third year or modules equivalent to this.

The "modules equivalent to this" would apply in my case from what I have done already in two years in my course.
My two cents. If it were me, I would finish off that undergrad - it will save you a lot of hassle with the teaching council and explaining at interviews. As you have a degree already, I would try to register under section 3 for adult education - that would let you know what you can register for, if anything. You can get your qualifications assessed by the Teaching Council for a fee. Registering would also give you the opportunity to do some subbing to make sure that you really want to teach.

Masters don't count (or didn't) to the Teaching Council as it is a specific study whereas a degree is multidisciplinary.

Best of luck.
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The "modules equivalent to this" would apply in my case from what I have done already in two years in my course.
They seem to mean that it has to be studied at the more advanced end of your undergraduate studies (i.e. not first or second year). If you don't have the 10 ECTS credits from your third year, but you have them from your master's, you should be able to count them.

Interestingly, the modules only need to have been passed, even if that was by compensation. This means that a pass degree doesn't disqualify you, unless it's an entry requirement for a particular college.
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Masters don't count (or didn't) to the Teaching Council as it is a specific study whereas a degree is multidisciplinary.
I'm curious about this for my own future studies. Surely if I had a language to degree level and then a linguistics master's including that language and its literature, I should be able to count relevant master's modules for registration.
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My two cents. If it were me, I would finish off that undergrad - it will save you a lot of hassle with the teaching council and explaining at interviews. As you have a degree already, I would try to register under section 3 for adult education - that would let you know what you can register for, if anything. You can get your qualifications assessed by the Teaching Council for a fee. Registering would also give you the opportunity to do some subbing to make sure that you really want to teach.

Masters don't count (or didn't) to the Teaching Council as it is a specific study whereas a degree is multidisciplinary.

Best of luck.
Tbh, I wouldn't be able to afford finishing the undergrad and then doing a PME on top of that.
That would be four years of fees which would be too much for me.

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As you have a degree already, I would try to register under section 3 for adult education - that would let you know what you can register for, if anything. You can get your qualifications assessed by the Teaching Council for a fee. Registering would also give you the opportunity to do some subbing to make sure that you really want to teach.
Sorry for being thick but I don't know what you mean by this. Registering with the Teaching Council you mean?
Under section 3 for adult education. What is this.

The assessment of qualifications is what I need to do. Who do I need to talk to about this.

And how does registering allow you to sub.

Sorry for my confusion.
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I'm curious about this for my own future studies. Surely if I had a language to degree level and then a linguistics master's including that language and its literature, I should be able to count relevant master's modules for registration.
I had a friend who had a masters and could not register. Had to complete some assignments from undergraduate studies. I enquired when the Teaching Council when they came to college one day. They want a teacher to have a varied not specific study which a master's is. It may have changed but I doubt it.
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Tbh, I wouldn't be able to afford finishing the undergrad and then doing a PME on top of that.
That would be four years of fees which would be too much for me.



Sorry for being thick but I don't know what you mean by this. Registering with the Teaching Council you mean?
Under section 3 for adult education. What is this.

The assessment of qualifications is what I need to do. Who do I need to talk to about this.

And how does registering allow you to sub.

Sorry for my confusion.
Yes that would be expensive alright.

There are three (maybe four) categories which you can register as a teacher, primary, post-primary and adult education.

Registering for adult education will allow you to get a Teaching Council number which you will need in order to paid from government funds.

Registering under adult education allows anyone with a degree to register. It was initially set up for tutors delivering courses in what were VECs (now ETB) where a teaching qualification was not required or could not be achieved e.g. plumbing etc.

Contact the Teaching Council re assessment of qualifications. It's €200 per subject and €100 for additional subjects. It can take a few months for this to be completed.

If you were registered, you could register as a sub on educationposts and drop CVs into schools in your area to let them know you are available for substitute work.

Hope that clears it up. Ask again if not sure about something.
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