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09-06-2021, 08:15   #5671
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I just finished watching The Visitor again. Words fail me. I don't think I've ever watched any TV show, film or anything else that affects me as much as that episode does. It's a beautifully crafted piece of work that choked me up and had tears rolling down my face several times. Simply stunning.
What show is that?
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09-06-2021, 08:38   #5672
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What show is that?
DS9.
An elderly Jake Sisko is telling the story of how he spent his life trying to save his father. You'd need a heart of stone not to be moved at least a little by that episode. If you haven't watched it before, do it now. "The Visitor" is DS9, and possibly Trek, at it's very best.
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09-06-2021, 08:42   #5673
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DS9. The one where Sisko disappears and Jake gets old.

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09-06-2021, 09:04   #5674
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DS9 had the best character writing in Trek, hands down. So its solo adventures were nearly always Trek at its peak; Jake Sisko was a bit of a drip at times, but an infinitely better written and constructed character than Wesley ever was. It was also nice to watch a TV show where its father/teenage-son dynamic wasn't built on conflict or drama; they both loved and supported each other, even if they sometimes had different perspectives on topics.
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DS9 had the best character writing in Trek, hands down. So its solo adventures were nearly always Trek at its peak; Jake Sisko was a bit of a drip at times, but an infinitely better written and constructed character than Wesley ever was. It was also nice to watch a TV show where its father/teenage-son dynamic wasn't built on conflict or drama; they both loved and supported each other, even if they sometimes had different perspectives on topics.
Also Jake's antics with Nog gave the Station a proper community feel to it. They seemed like real kids, doing what real kids would do if stuck on a space station.
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09-06-2021, 10:32   #5676
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Also Jake's antics with Nog gave the Station a proper community feel to it. They seemed like real kids, doing what real kids would do if stuck on a space station.
Writing for children is often a make-or-break with any production; it's incredibly difficult to get that sense of authentic young people, sounding and behaving like actual children. Stranger Things nailed it pretty well, whereas TNG was just fantastically awful; a child genius isn't impossible, but neither the writers nor actor could get a grasp on the character.
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Suppose DS9 also had real life family dramas. Whole thing felt more natural.
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DS9 had the best character writing in Trek, hands down. So its solo adventures were nearly always Trek at its peak; Jake Sisko was a bit of a drip at times, but an infinitely better written and constructed character than Wesley ever was. It was also nice to watch a TV show where its father/teenage-son dynamic wasn't built on conflict or drama; they both loved and supported each other, even if they sometimes had different perspectives on topics.
Brooks was very clear when taking the role that it would be a loving and supportive relationship. Something got to do with not wanting to be like the stereotype black fathers common in TV at the time
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Brooks was very clear when taking the role that it would be a loving and supportive relationship. Something got to do with not wanting to be like the stereotype black fathers common in TV at the time
And to his credit, the Siskos are probably one of the more believable and heart-warming Father / Son relationships I've seen on television.

Kind of interesting that the most believable family dynamic I've seen on TV kicked off with the mother being killed by Cyborg monsters, peaked with a story about time-travel, and finished with the dad becoming a Space-God....

Makes you think....
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DS9.
An elderly Jake Sisko is telling the story of how he spent his life trying to save his father. You'd need a heart of stone not to be moved at least a little by that episode. If you haven't watched it before, do it now. "The Visitor" is DS9, and possibly Trek, at it's very best.
"All good things"part two when they are showing the characters time on the station always moves me but at the same time I think it could have been better like Quarks is terrible.
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