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New Horizons

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Rubecula wrote: »
    Additionally by the time any advanced race finds it given both the size of the universe and the slow speed it travels at, how far will we have advanced, or if we will still exist?
    Indeed, our future selves might not know about voyager etc. They may be completely alien to our present selves!
    Awesome to think, really.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    Aliens could be watching 'Eastenders' 30 light years away wondering if they should ever come to such a miserable planet.

    Or they could be 70 light years away watching WW2 unfold and planning a response. The permutations are endless really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Or they could be 70 light years away watching WW2 unfold and planning a response. The permutations are endless really.

    Reminds me of this Twilight Zone story.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Why would it be a bland blue ball?



    Roughly 14km/s or 50,000 km/h. Literally blink and you'd miss it!

    Not really literally. :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭littlemac1980


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    The golden disc wasn't a message for Aliens - it was a message to the world. Any species advanced enough to detect and capture a spacecraft would have long ago been aware that technologically advanced life lived where it came from. Aliens could be watching 'Eastenders' 30 light years away wondering if they should ever come to such a miserable planet.

    Maybe they're planning an invasion and are just constantly saying "Right one more episode and then we'll go... this is the last one now though mind."


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  • Registered Users Posts: 352 ✭✭jfSDAS


    Some info on a planned digital record of Earth to be uploaded to New Horizons can be found at http://www.oneearthmessage.org/ ... they have to wait until all the encounter data is downloaded before the proposed archive can be transmitted back to the spacecraft. A nice summary of the idea is at http://www.space.com/26332-nasa-new-horizons-one-earth-message.html

    There is a CD on-board New Horizons containing about 435,000 names. See http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/spacecraft/searchName.php for info. Hoping my name will be plucked in the aliens lottery to win a shiny new Starstrider spacecraft during the Galactic-Millions draw biggrin.png

    No sign of any LORRI images yet from NH. They started the long-range imaging a few days ago but I was expecting to some announcement by yesterday. These pictures will be used to further refine the spacecraft's trajectory but a nominal course change will probably not happen until late-March.

    It's critical the course through the Pluto system is plotted as accurately as possible. Because the fly-by speed is so high and targeting of the cameras is programmed in advance, they have to be sure Pluto and the moons are actually in the camera fields of view at the right time. If the timings are off then they could be imaging blank space!

    There is high confidence (better than 97%) that there is no risk to NH from debris in the Pluto system. Engineers fired particles at the mock-up vehicle to simulate collisions and discovered NH is actually quite robust. There are other planned flyby trajectories if any risks are found over the next few months. The worst case scenario is to pass well outside the Pluto system altogether -- in this situation there won't be much detail in the pictures. Another alternative is fly even closer to Pluto and actually skim through its upper atmosphere. That said, it looks like the original trajectory is the one they'll use.

    I'm guessing Pluto will look very similar to Neptune's moon Triton, an object believed to have originated from further out and then captured by Neptune. Our only close-up view of Triton so far has been with pictures returned by Voyager 2 in August 1989. However, as Alan Stern (PI on New Horizons) says, all our preconceptions to date of what we've expected to see during spacecraft encounters have been completely turned upside down. Who would have though Jupiter's moons would have boasted the most volcanically active world in the Solar System (Io)?

    Don't forget DAWN's encounter with Ceres when it arrives at that world in early March. The spacecraft will initially orbit Ceres at a height of about 4,400km and lower that to about 375km in late-2015.

    John


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Anyone else having a super nerdgasm at the thought of photos of Pluto?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    Anyone else having a super nerdgasm at the thought of photos of Pluto?
    Oh yeah. The BBC did a two part show about a trip around the solar system. At the end they reached pluto and i think it was beautifully done. Although a bit bright on the surface of pluto i think. I cant remember the name now. Oddessy something or other...
    New tab...google...
    Got it: space oddessy: a voyage to the planets. Youtube will have it by now. Well worth a watch if not already seen.
    Imagine standing on pluto....you'd need thermal insoles thats for sure!


  • Registered Users Posts: 352 ✭✭jfSDAS


    Really looking forward to the Pluto encounter too.

    To quote Alan Stern again, this is like the first missions to Mars or Venus when we had no idea what to expect and were wowed by the results. BBC correspondent Jonathan Amos nicely puts it when he says that for those of us who grew up with nine planets, the mission to Pluto completes the set.
    Imagine standing on pluto....you'd need thermal insoles thats for sure!

    I saw somewhere the Sun shines only 1/10,000 as bright at Pluto as for us on Earth. The view is approximately equivalent to standing at the south pole with the landscape illuminated only by the Full Moon (or maybe the top of one of our snow-capped hills with current weather conditions in some parts of the country!)

    The engineering and navigation are a triumph too. To be able to launch a spacecraft from Earth and reach an object billions of kilometres away nine years later with such precision really is amazing. Spaceflight has become so routine now that we expect interplanetary and lunar missions to succeed like that whereas in the 1960s more than a few sailed by their intended targets by a large margin.

    Keep an eye on Emily Lakdawalla's blog at http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/ for updates on planetary missions.

    A great talk by Mike Brown (he of the @plutokiller twitter handle :) ) is in the series at http://www.astrosociety.org/education/past-silicon-valley-astronomy-lectures/ ... Mike's talk was given in January 2011 and all the lectures in the series can be downloaded as MP3s for listening to offline.

    John


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,548 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    My own name is amongst the 400,000+ names on the CD rom aboard New Horizons. Amazing to think that it is now beyond the orbit of Neptune, hurtling out of our solar system for good.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 352 ✭✭jfSDAS


    Latest pictures of Pluto and Charon ...

    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31144138

    http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/News-Center/News-Article.php?page=20150204 (main site is http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/ )

    I was wondering why the delay in releasing the images. A nice touch to wait until Clyde Tombaugh's birthday.

    John


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭shedweller


    jfSDAS wrote: »
    Latest pictures of Pluto and Charon ...

    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31144138

    http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/News-Center/News-Article.php?page=20150204 (main site is http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/ )

    I was wondering why the delay in releasing the images. A nice touch to wait until Clyde Tombaugh's birthday.

    John
    Thanks for that! I believe the data rate is very slow from new horizons so a picture takes ages to arrive. There is a 4.5 hour delay also but i think the poor data rate counts for most of the delay.
    I was reading up on the probe a while back and one of the cameras on it was LORRI if i remember correctly. It has a field of view of just 0.29 degrees! After a small bit of trigonometry i found that pluto will more than fill the frame of the camera at the closest point.
    Here's hoping it points in the right direction!!
    There's a great pdf on it if you google new horizons and lorri http://www.google.ie/url?q=http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/139889main_PressKit12_05.pdf&sa=U&ei=1jjTVIC0N6fp7AbWzYCwDQ&ved=0CAsQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNGtMC-qssYggpbKhsI6BvM6TofvFQ.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    In most pix its colour is somewhat pale blueish with steel grey thrown in though I see brown is also suggested. We'll know soon enough.
    Yeah, some browns suggested in the Hubble photos.
    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/pluto-20100204.html
    They're false colour, but I don't know to what extent the colours are just educated guesses.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Planck telescope may show a lot and the upcoming James Webb telescope is said to be even better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Rubecula wrote: »
    Planck telescope may show a lot and the upcoming James Webb telescope is said to be even better.

    Wrong thread??


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,653 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Wrong thread??
    No, because the probe won't beat what telescopes can see until it gets closer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    No, because the probe won't beat what telescopes can see until it gets closer.

    I still don't understand. The probe will be there in 5 months. James Webb doesn't launch for at least 3 years...


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,368 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    My own name is amongst the 400,000+ names on the CD rom aboard New Horizons. Amazing to think that it is now beyond the orbit of Neptune, hurtling out of our solar system for good.

    The aliens might not have CD ROM drives.😀 Is it going to orbit Pluto or fly past it?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,653 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    irishgeo wrote: »
    Is it going to orbit Pluto or fly past it?
    It'll pass by at 49,600Km/hr.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    Too fast to drop into orbit ?

    I think so, such a pity ... would be great to get more data ... even crash land the ****er there.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    the_monkey wrote: »
    Too fast to drop into orbit ?

    Much too fast. About 18 11.5 times too fast.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭the_monkey


    out of curiosity how did you calculate that ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    the_monkey wrote: »
    out of curiosity how did you calculate that ?

    Very much back of the envelope maths. Escape velocity for Pluto is 1.229 km/s, you'd need a relative velocity lower than this to get into any kind of orbit (well, apart from an escape orbit of course).

    So, let's take 1.2 km/s (which is still might too fast for any kind of orbit that doesn't end with you crashing into Pluto, but feck it). According to NASA, New Horizons will pass Pluto with a relative velocity of 49,600 km/h, which is 13.77 km/s (49,600 / 60 / 60).

    13.77 / 1.2 = 11.4. :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 41 Titus Andronicus


    104 days away, whoo hoo

    nasa.gov/mission_pages/newhorizons/main/#.VRury-HfeB0

    March 12, 2015
    "After more than nine years in space, on a voyage taking it farther to its primary destination than any mission before it, NASA'’s New Horizons spacecraft is within one astronomical unit of Pluto – meaning it’s closer to Pluto than the Earth is to the Sun."

    Great time lapse of Pluto & Charon
    nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/nh_zoom_bary_03-final.gif


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Great time lapse of Pluto & Charon
    nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/nh_zoom_bary_03-final.gif

    nh_zoom_bary_03-final.gif

    :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7 Comedy of Errors


    I'm so excited for this, I would have been too young to take in the Voyager probes & what they were sending back.
    I really hope it all goes to plan & we get great shots.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Details of what images to expect and when during the flyby :

    Pluto image expectations


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭B17G




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭mg1982


    B17G wrote: »

    Should be some cool photos coming back around summertime. Although I always imagined Pluto as being dark and colourless.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    From mid May onwards the images will be better than the best Hubble images.


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