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What Scope?!?

  • 19-09-2019 9:54pm
    #1
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭


    So a friend of mine wants to get a decent scope for target shooting with his 10/22.

    I'm suggesting a Zeiss Conquest V4 6-24x50 or a Weaver T24. He's looking at a Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24x50. My issue is it's first focal plane and the reticle will be to big at full mag.

    Any thoughts on what to do or other options, best bang for buck etc.

    Cheers.

    First they came for the socialists...



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  • #2
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    I used a Weaver T36 for years and it was a superb scope. If it's purely for targets and nothing else it would be the one to go for.

    However if he wants a scope of similar quality, as good a pedigree but with a little more versatility there are options which as always depend on his budget.

    The Sightron SIIISS 10-50X60 LRMOA with fine crosshair is a great scope. Superb mag, crystal clear optics, ED lenses, 1/8 click value for fine adjustment, and super fine crosshair all on SFP. Prices run around €1,300 or so for the top model and as low as €950 for the lower mag models..

    For something sub €1,000 you have the Vortex as you said, there is also Hawke Frontier (5-30 with fine crosshair) which runs between €700 - €800 depending on where you buy it. Don't be fooled by the brand. Hawke are a great scope but the Frontier jumps up a few levels from the Sidewinders in terms of looks, functionality, quality and performance.

    Of course you don't have to go big money. The majority of rifle scopes these days are a sight bit better than the "budget" scopes of old that you couldn't rely on to keep and hold zero. Bushnell, Hawke, Leupold, Nikko Sterling all do a decent scope with varying ranges of magnification, crosshair types and features for between €200 to €350.

    You are right on FFP scopes. For target shooting they may be a hassle except in a small variety of shooting disciplines where target acquisition is as important as accuracy.
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  • #3
    PSXDupe
    Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭PSXDupe


    It really depends on what you mean by Target Shooting, every time you pull the trigger you shooting at a target, be is paper or 4 legged.

    For benchrest, where it is at a fixed known distance, then I don't see the use for FFP scope. The cross hairs will block a good portion of what you are trying to aim at. You're trying to put a .22 (5.5mm) bullet into a 5mm hole at 50m.

    On another point, the 10/22, if it is a standard out of the box Ruger 10/22 your mate would be better to look at upgrading the trigger also. Regardless of what glass you have on it, the out of the box trigger is brutal for target shooting, simply too heavy, you cant the rifle.

    He will get much better results with a trigger upgrade and cheaper glass than top of the range glass and a standard trigger. (Speaking from experience)


  • #4
    clivej
    Registered Users Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭clivej


    Feisar wrote: »
    So a friend of mine wants to get a decent scope for target shooting with his 10/22.

    I'm suggesting a Zeiss Conquest V4 6-24x50 or a Weaver T24. He's looking at a Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24x50. My issue is it's first focal plane and the reticle will be to big at full mag.

    Any thoughts on what to do or other options, best bang for buck etc.

    Cheers.

    In my opinion those are too much scope for a 10/22. €250 is enough to spend on a scope for the 10/22. Again it depends on what he is shooting, targets or hunting???
    I like a 6-24x50mm scope for most shooting as it's a good size for both targets and hunting. But having said that after many scopes on my CZ 452 bolt action I settled on a fixed 10 power Bushnell scope.

    I use a 4-16x44mm on my 10/22 for Gallery competition shooting and its as good as any for all types of shooing IMO.


  • #5
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    clivej wrote: »
    In my opinion those are too much scope for a 10/22. €250 is enough to spend on a scope for the 10/22. Again it depends on what he is shooting, targets or hunting???
    I like a 6-24x50mm scope for most shooting as it's a good size for both targets and hunting. But having said that after many scopes on my CZ 452 bolt action I settled on a fixed 10 power Bushnell scope.

    I use a 4-16x44mm on my 10/22 for Gallery competition shooting and its as good as any for all types of shooing IMO.

    It'll be primarily targets, he has a 3-9*40 on it at the moment and looking to upgrade. Agreed a 6-24 is a good all rounder.

    CZ452, I've a Nightforce 8-32x56 up on mine at the moment. It's crude looking to say the least! I'm dicking around with 200 yards plus, handiest way out there was getting a 30MOA rail from Area 419, it has a picitinny top and the onlypicitinny rings i had were 30mm hence I've a nightforce on a .22

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #6
    schtinggg
    Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭schtinggg


    I think you've got some pretty good advice up to now.
    The best glass on the market won't do much good except frustrate your mate if his trigger is a stock version. Look at that first. What barrel has he got? Is he using a factory stock? My point being there's a lot you can do to improve a 10/22 before you start thinking of scopes

    Whilst you can never, in my opinion, spend too much on a scope, remember what it's going on. The requirements of a .22lr are not those of a larger center-fire: be reasonable - a mad expensive scope on a 10/22 won't necessarily make for better results - unless the plan is to take long shots.
    As an aside, I just got my young fella a TSR100 by Tech Sights for his 10/22 and it's fantastic. Best of luck to your mate whichever way he goes.


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  • #7
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,597 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Gents, thanks for the time taken with your replies, I’ll get on to him about a trigger.

    (He should of bought a 452!)

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #8
    PSXDupe
    Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭PSXDupe


    A Ruger 10/22 is about as close to a black hole as you can get when it comes to spending money on a firearm. Trigger, Barrel, Stock, Bolt, Cocking Handle, Springs, Stock, then another stock, and another, maybe a new barrel because you didn't like the colour :):):)


  • #9
    keith s
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭keith s


    Hi,

    I'm late to the party but I just came across what looks like a great deal on the Hawke Frontier.
    It's on a UK site and was about £390 for the 32 power version.

    Not sure if I'm allowed post the link, admin?


  • #10
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    Post away.
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  • #11
    keith s
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭keith s


    Cass wrote: »
    Post away.

    Cool.
    To be clear, I've no association with this site.


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  • #12
    keith s
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭keith s


    https://www.opticswarehouse.co.uk/product/hawke-frontier-30-sf-5-30x50-illuminated-side-focus-riflescope/

    It looks like a good deal to me, but maybe someone has other feedback on it.


  • #13
    Cass
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,453 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    A good price, for sure. £250 off new and with Irish prices in the €700+ mark its a big saving.
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  • #14
    1874
    Registered Users Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭1874


    any recommendations for other sites for scopes to compare?


  • #15
    clivej
    Registered Users Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭clivej


    You won't go far wrong with this scope. £250. Nikko Sterling have improved their glass a lot over the years.
    I use the 4-16x50mm on my .38spl lever action rifle and find it good.

    As with any scope your looking to buy do a Google search about it and read the reviews.

    https://www.opticswarehouse.co.uk/nikko-stirling-diamond-long-range-6-24x50-illuminated-zero-stop-riflescope-half-mildot


  • #16
    1874
    Registered Users Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭1874


    clivej wrote: »
    You won't go far wrong with this scope. £250. Nikko Sterling have improved their glass a lot over the years.
    I use the 4-16x50mm on my .38spl lever action rifle and find it good.

    As with any scope your looking to buy do a Google search about it and read the reviews.

    https://www.opticswarehouse.co.uk/nikko-stirling-diamond-long-range-6-24x50-illuminated-zero-stop-riflescope-half-mildot


    Looks nice, that might suit my target rifle although I was considering going higher in price with the view to get as good a quality as I can afford. I am uncertain what brand to buy and Id heard & read various things about a few different makes, from HAWKE, VOS? (edit I think that might have been Vortex actually) and the above mentioned scope make, along the lines that some makes weren't great (mainly about not holding zero due to quality) or that some were even cheap knock offs of the original genuine make, so I was not sure where to buy or what.


    My criteria are,
    Im looking for a replacement sight for both a gallery rifle and a target rifle in .22LR, and Im not 100% certain what reticle to get for either, something not too busy but with the best functionality for the purpose its used for.


    I may end up going for a cheaper sight for my gallery rifle as I couldnt afford to go all out on two expensive sights ( I could actually afford, but not if I value my life, and that with me still looking for a few new to me rifles over the next year).
    For gallery, I'm considering potentially something with mildot AND illumination, possibly some form of an illuminated circle with dot at the centre, I dont feel I need lots of magnification, but more than the 3-9 I currently have might be a bit better.
    I know some of this could be down to personal preference, any opinions if this is a good option for focusing on target in gallery shooting?



    For my target rifle I would like, potentially a larger objective lens and better quality, so maybe overall a better scope but preferably without significant added weight, I think no illumination, potentially some form of crosshair, likely not mildot.


    I'm not 100% convinced about the mildot as Im not using it for ranging, I know the distances, but it might be useful to have in some circumstances instead of adjusting up and down (which is my concern that it might not be as reliable with a cheaper scope).


    Currently I have a HAWKE varmint SF for target (Id have to look at the specs as I havent seen it in a while as locked up while renewal coming through which only arrived this morning), while that scope seems ok, I'm not 100% convinced about it, I plan on putting a better rifle with whatever I get (Im considering a secondhand Anshutz) currently Ive a CZ452 so while ok, I think it's limited in what I can do with it. I think that scope was around the 299 price mark, I might price to replace the Gallery with a similar priced scope but more for the target rifle, maybe 800 max,
    I might swap the HAWKE into the gallery as it has mildots and go all in for the Target scope in terms of what I can pay out, but I dont think Im quite at the bottom range of prices for better quality scopes, like Smidt & Bender? Doctor? or Nightforce, and Im looking for the above purposes, not hunting, but weight and mainly quality is still a consideration.


  • #17
    clivej
    Registered Users Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭clivej


    1874 wrote: »
    Looks nice, that might suit my target rifle although I was considering going higher in price with the view to get as good a quality as I can afford. I am uncertain what brand to buy and Id heard & read various things about a few different makes, from HAWKE, VOS? (edit I think that might have been Vortex actually) and the above mentioned scope make, along the lines that some makes weren't great (mainly about not holding zero due to quality) or that some were even cheap knock offs of the original genuine make, so I was not sure where to buy or what.


    My criteria are,
    Im looking for a replacement sight for both a gallery rifle and a target rifle in .22LR, and Im not 100% certain what reticle to get for either, something not too busy but with the best functionality for the purpose its used for.


    I may end up going for a cheaper sight for my gallery rifle as I couldnt afford to go all out on two expensive sights ( I could actually afford, but not if I value my life, and that with me still looking for a few new to me rifles over the next year).
    For gallery, I'm considering potentially something with mildot AND illumination, possibly some form of an illuminated circle with dot at the centre, I dont feel I need lots of magnification, but more than the 3-9 I currently have might be a bit better.
    I know some of this could be down to personal preference, any opinions if this is a good option for focusing on target in gallery shooting?



    For my target rifle I would like, potentially a larger objective lens and better quality, so maybe overall a better scope but preferably without significant added weight, I think no illumination, potentially some form of crosshair, likely not mildot.


    I'm not 100% convinced about the mildot as Im not using it for ranging, I know the distances, but it might be useful to have in some circumstances instead of adjusting up and down (which is my concern that it might not be as reliable with a cheaper scope).


    Currently I have a HAWKE varmint SF for target (Id have to look at the specs as I havent seen it in a while as locked up while renewal coming through which only arrived this morning), while that scope seems ok, I'm not 100% convinced about it, I plan on putting a better rifle with whatever I get (Im considering a secondhand Anshutz) currently Ive a CZ452 so while ok, I think it's limited in what I can do with it. I think that scope was around the 299 price mark, I might price to replace the Gallery with a similar priced scope but more for the target rifle, maybe 800 max,
    I might swap the HAWKE into the gallery as it has mildots and go all in for the Target scope in terms of what I can pay out, but I dont think Im quite at the bottom range of prices for better quality scopes, like Smidt & Bender? Doctor? or Nightforce, and Im looking for the above purposes, not hunting, but weight and mainly quality is still a consideration.

    Oh dear,
    IMO your wanting and looking for 2 completely different types of scopes for 2 different types of sports.

    For gallery rifle comp. shooting many ppl use the Bushnell Banner 6-18x50mm and it does the job very well. Multi Plex reticle gives a quick target view.
    Had used this scope for many years, and others and now use a the Nikko Sterling Diamond Long Range 4-16x50 with Hold Fast reticle as the above link. I like it other ppl don't.
    The MAIN thing is to make sure that the scope can focus down to 10m, most scopes will NOT.

    On my CZ 455 thumhole stock, heavy 16" barrel, I now have a Hawk sidewinder 8-32x56mm for long range target shooting, I don't hunt anymore with that rifle so the high power scope is good.
    When I did hunt with a CZ 452 american I found that the Bushnell elite 3200 fixed power 10x40mm was the business. With target turrets I could range a rabbit and dial in the drop,
    130y no problem with head shots.

    Remember for Target work with a .22lr your only looking at 100y max range competitions anyway, and mainly off the bench with a little prone shooting thrown in for good measure.


  • #18
    1874
    Registered Users Posts: 2,382 ✭✭✭1874


    clivej wrote: »
    Oh dear,
    IMO your wanting and looking for 2 completely different types of scopes for 2 different types of sports.

    For gallery rifle comp. shooting many ppl use the Bushnell Banner 6-18x50mm and it does the job very well. Multi Plex reticle gives a quick target view.
    Had used this scope for many years, and others and now use a the Nikko Sterling Diamond Long Range 4-16x50 with Hold Fast reticle as the above link. I like it other ppl don't.
    The MAIN thing is to make sure that the scope can focus down to 10m, most scopes will NOT.

    On my CZ 455 thumhole stock, heavy 16" barrel, I now have a Hawk sidewinder 8-32x56mm for long range target shooting, I don't hunt anymore with that rifle so the high power scope is good.
    When I did hunt with a CZ 452 american I found that the Bushnell elite 3200 fixed power 10x40mm was the business. With target turrets I could range a rabbit and dial in the drop,
    130y no problem with head shots.

    Remember for Target work with a .22lr your only looking at 100y max range competitions anyway, and mainly off the bench with a little prone shooting thrown in for good measure.


    Yes two different scopes definitely,
    I'll look up the reviews and see if they or similar are still available, havent seen much of the Nikko Stirling, I wasnt aware what they are like. Recommendations are always good.


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