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2019 Masters

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  • #92
    Joe_ Public
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    The Nal wrote: »
    He had a crazy amount of side on it which was odd. He could've easily just went down the table once. Bizarre stuff.

    I think it was just a hit and hope!

    Easiest shot as Taylor alluded to was just play pink onto left cush with cue ball on opposite cush. Simples.

    I think your right, it’s just hit and hope. Is he trying to pot it? Seems so as he makes sure to leave a shot on the black. Just insane either way, abnormally stupid.


  • #93
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
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    I love Mark Williams but he can be infuriatingly nonchalant. That was just not the time for a hit and hope. He's out of the tournament now.


  • #94
    The Nal
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Easiest shot as Taylor alluded to was just play pink onto left cush with cue ball on opposite cush. Simples.

    I think your right, it’s just hit and hope. Is he trying to pot it? Seems so as he makes sure to leave a shot on the black. Just insane either way, abnormally stupid.

    Yeah looked at it a few times and all I can think of is that he was trying to run it round the angles few times and hope it dropped in somewhere. Madness.


  • #95
    Joe_ Public
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    Thing is he didn’t just get down and lash it, he actually spent at least a minute thinking about the shot and that’s what his thought process came up with. So very very strange.


  • #96
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
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    Hawkins and Murphy on the red button now. Hawkins just won the first frame.


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  • #97
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    It's on Eurosport 2 as well


  • #98
    Joe_ Public
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    Standard want to lift a bit here, pretty dire stuff so far from both.


  • #99
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    Murphy very poor tonight. Didn't know he'd moved over to Dublin til they mentioned it in commentary. Wonder where he practices. He's doing an exhibition in the Spawell next month....based on tonight's display I'll keep that €20 in my pocket


  • #100
    Arthur Daley
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    Good to see him get a frame in


  • #101
    Joe_ Public
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    Braden Victorious Soapbox wrote: »
    Murphy very poor tonight. Didn't know he'd moved over to Dublin til they mentioned it in commentary. Wonder where he practices. He's doing an exhibition in the Spawell next month....based on tonight's display I'll keep that €20 in my pocket

    Spends a lot of his time up in celbridge I believe sparring heavy sessions with Fergal O’Brien. Seems a decent setup though results not going his way this season. Fair chance he’ll be in the world qualifying if his results don’t pick up.


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  • #102
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    Arthur Daley wrote: »
    Good to see him get a frame in

    Good to see a bit of a fight back from him. Hawkins is looking very shaky in the last 2 frames


  • #103
    Harry Palmr
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    Really enjoyed that last frame, absorbing cat and mouse.


  • #104
    Joe_ Public
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Really enjoyed that last frame, absorbing cat and mouse.

    Yeah, centuries all well and good but nothing beats a good tactical ding dong for me.


  • #105
    Dante7
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    I really enjoyed the latter half of that match. The nephew was with me and he was absorbed.

    Update on the Paddy Power 500/1 five fifties bet. They have pulled it and cancelled existing bets and marked them at about 6/1. Shelly Higgins, Alex's niece is giving out about it on Twitter. She may have a point.


  • #106
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
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    Today's matches...

    1pm: Judd Trump vs Kyren Wilson

    7pm: Mark Selby vs Stephen Maguire


  • #107
    The Nal
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    Really looking forward to Trump vs Wilson.


  • #108
    Joe_ Public
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    Lot of hype around the match, hope it lives up to expectations


  • #109
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
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    BBC really playing up the rivalry here. Almost describing it as a grudge match.


  • #110
    Joe_ Public
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    Gracelynn Stale Vow wrote: »
    BBC really playing up the rivalry here. Almost describing it as a grudge match.

    Think it just shows how desperate snooker is for a few “young” players, or at least new names, to start winning big titles and develop genuine rivalries. These guys are closer to 30 than 20 now, time for them to deliver I think.


  • #111
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Think it just shows how desperate snooker is for a few “young” players, or at least new names, to start winning big titles and develop genuine rivalries. These guys are closer to 30 than 20 now, time for them to deliver I think.

    Yep. Trump will turn 30 in August and yet Virgo just referred to him as a "young up-and-coming player."

    Trump has been "up-and-coming" for years now. He has won some titles but never lived up to all the hype.


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  • #112
    Joe_ Public
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    Gracelynn Stale Vow wrote: »
    Yep. Trump will turn 30 in August and yet Virgo just referred to him as a "young up-and-coming player."

    Trump has been "up-and-coming" for years now. He has won some titles but never lived up to all the hype.

    Yeah I like judd but he has underachieved criminally for the talent he has. But he has at least won titles and doesn’t cower when facing ronnie like a few others, I’ll give him that.

    The other day they were going on about Lisowski as if he had just stepped out of the cradle, he’ll be 28 in a few months. Bbc just won’t acknowledge that the young generation now just is not up to scratch.


  • #113
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    Indeed. Ten of the players in this year's Masters are over 35. Just one is under 25. The discussion is shifting from "Who will be the next Ronnie/Hendry?" to whether we'll see players of their kind again.


  • #114
    Joe_ Public
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    I think it’s a bit more alarming than people realise. Look beyond Wilson and Lisowski in the rankings and there isn’t really anything coming from the UK in the 20-30 bracket, despite hearn and the bbc telling us everything is great. There’s really nothing there.

    Thing is to savour every bit of Ronnie while he’s still there because there just won’t be another like him again, not in any of our lifetimes anyway.


  • #115
    Arthur Daley
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    I think it’s a bit more alarming than people realise. Look beyond Wilson and Lisowski in the rankings and there isn’t really anything coming from the UK in the 20-30 bracket, despite hearn and the bbc telling us everything is great. There’s really nothing there.

    Thing is to savour every bit of Ronnie while he’s still there because there just won’t be another like him again, not in any of our lifetimes anyway.

    Isn't this a reflection of where the game was going 10-15 years ago. The game was in decline, but has had a bump this decade and the hope is that kids of 10 or 12 are now more encouraged to pick up the cue and practice 4 hours a night. It is almost like there is a lost generation that grew up in the 2000s/early 2010s but the few quid in the game now will see the next generation emerge. Granted not too many will emerge from here or even from the UK, but if you build it and put it out there, they will come.


  • #116
    Joe_ Public
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    Arthur Daley wrote: »
    Isn't this a reflection of where the game was going 10-15 years ago. The game was in decline, but has had a bump this decade and the hope is that kids of 10 or 12 are now more encouraged to pick up the cue and practice 4 hours a night. It is almost like there is a lost generation that grew up in the 2000s/early 2010s but the few quid in the game now will see the next generation emerge. Granted not too many will emerge from here or even from the UK, but if you build it and put it out there, they will come.

    Was the game in decline 15 years ago though? There were obvious structural problems of course but you still had a young generation- Ding, Paul Hunter, Mark Allen, S Lee, Maguire, Murphy etc who all exhibited a lot of potential. Not all realised admittedly but at least it was there.

    The numbers taking up the game is the big issue for sure, how you inspire those kids to play a fairly solitary and sedantary time consuming pursuit is the issue. Uk has to look at china and try to copy, even at a more modest level, what they are doing but costs a lot of money they probably don’t have.


  • #117
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
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    Arthur Daley wrote: »
    Isn't this a reflection of where the game was going 10-15 years ago. The game was in decline, but has had a bump this decade and the hope is that kids of 10 or 12 are now more encouraged to pick up the cue and practice 4 hours a night. It is almost like there is a lost generation that grew up in the 2000s/early 2010s but the few quid in the game now will see the next generation emerge. Granted not too many will emerge from here or even from the UK, but if you build it and put it out there, they will come.

    I'd hope you're right -- but the financial reality is that only the top 10 players in the world are making six-figure incomes. Players outside the top 50 are making under £30k, outside the top 70 are making less than £20k, and outside the top 100 are making less than £10k -- from which they have to deduct expenses, tournament entry fees, and so on. Unless a player can get well into the top 16 and stay there consistently, there are no riches to be made in snooker. Many "professionals" have to work second jobs to make ends meet.


  • #118
    Joe_ Public
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    Hammer blow for wilson here, only himself to blame.


  • #119
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
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    That one will hurt. Trump 3-0 up now.


  • #120
    Joe_ Public
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    Gracelynn Stale Vow wrote: »
    I'd hope you're right -- but the financial reality is that only the top 10 players in the world are making six-figure incomes. Players outside the top 50 are making under £30k, outside the top 70 are making less than £20k, and outside the top 100 are making less than £10k -- from which they have to deduct expenses, tournament entry fees, and so on. Unless a player can get well into the top 16 and stay there consistently, there are no riches to be made in snooker. Many "professionals" have to work second jobs to make ends meet.

    You are right on that. No way most of the players can make a decent living, unless they get somehow lucky with sponsorship. Can’t be much fun as a low ranked pro scrimping and saving on costs while trying to maximise your chances of winning matches. Bit of a vicious cycle I think.


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  • #121
    xi5yvm0owc1s2b
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    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    You are right on that. No way most of the players can make a decent living, unless they get somehow lucky with sponsorship. Can’t be much fun as a low ranked pro scrimping and saving on costs while trying to maximise your chances of winning matches. Bit of a vicious cycle I think.

    Exactly. Ronnie's first-round opponent in the UK was saying that he hoped he could get some time off work so that he could practice for the match. These players come in, predictably get obliterated 6-0 or 6-1 by one of the better players, get no prize money, and are out of pocket for costs. That's the reality of being a low-ranked pro.

    Hearn's spin on this is that he's giving the unknown players a chance to break through by pitting them against the big names. But you can't break through if you're working to support yourself and thus don't have the time to improve your game.


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