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    #302
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Mod note: I take your point but this thread is not just for updates. It's also for problems with the GRO records, etc.

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    #303
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    *Grumble*

    Looking for a death of Mary Jane Cummiskey in Jan 1920. Found her in the FMP indexes as Cummuskey, but the image doesn't match the transcription on IG. Went back through the pages for all January, can't find her.

    Found her: 25 pages on. Interesting to note that I went all the way through March and then there's more January pages!

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    #304
    shanew
    Registered Users Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    I think the first one is Registrar's district 3 South City and the second no. 4 - doesn't explain the page no. difference 528 vs 553


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    #305
    RGM
    Registered Users Posts: 484 ✭✭RGM


    Was there ever any official word on some of the registers being missing?

    For example, If you go on FMP and search for James McFaddens born in the Dunfanaghy district, you find that people with that name were born about every year from 1912 into the 1940s. However, the next oldest result after 1912 is 1887. I have been unable to find several births in this district in that period.


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    #306
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    No, nothing like that.

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    #307
    shanew
    Registered Users Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    not sure what I'm doing different but I see nearly 1,000 McFadden births in Dunfanaghy district on GRO/IrishGenealogy website between 1887 and 1912


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    #308
    RGM
    Registered Users Posts: 484 ✭✭RGM


    shanew wrote: »
    not sure what I'm doing different but I see nearly 1,000 McFadden births in Dunfanaghy district on GRO/IrishGenealogy website between 1887 and 1912

    Hm, I don't know what I was looking at.

    Well, I have a baptism record for Dominick McFadden born November 1891 in that district. Can't find a civil record. I already have the information, it's just an itch I would like to scratch.


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    #309
    montgo
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭montgo


    Have a look here for McFaddens born in 1891 including "Unknown". Maybe a transcription error on the Christian name?

    Check also 1892 births as it may not have registered until then.


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    #310
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Another issue tonight with an image not matching: I've submitted an error report but who knows when they'll get round to correcting all these!

    Teresa Lacey died 30/11/1914 in Dublin South (I have the burial record but wanted the death too).

    I'm trying to use irishgenealogy to pull up another death in that period but it isn't playing ball. I tried setting the dates exactly and registration district without a name but it brings no results. Same if I try really common first names or surnames.

    ETA: the dispensary district is Donnybrook no 2 (checked another death in the family at that address 2 years earlier).

    Any thoughts? If we can figure out this, I think it'll be useful to other people.

    First name(s) Teresa
    Last name Lacey
    Age at death 64
    Birth year 1850
    Registered year 1914
    Registered quarter/year Oct - Dec 1914
    Registration district Dublin South
    Volume 2
    Page 678

    Name TERESA LACEY
    Year of Death 1914
    Group Registration ID 5402546
    SR District/Reg Area Dublin South
    Deceased Age at Death 64

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    #311
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    Would you believe I've also searched unsuccessfully for someone who died 30/11/1914??!! It's a small world. But my request doesn't even appear in the search results.


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    #312
    tabbey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    mickmackey1 wrote: »
    Would you believe I've also searched unsuccessfully for someone who died 30/11/1914??!! It's a small world. But my request doesn't even appear in the search results.

    The date of death is irrelevant, the date of registration is the deciding factor, possibly years later.


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    #313
    shanew
    Registered Users Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    ....
    Teresa Lacey died 30/11/1914 in Dublin South (I have the burial record but wanted the death too).
    .....
    ETA: the dispensary district is Donnybrook no 2 (checked another death in the family at that address 2 years earlier).

    Any thoughts? If we can figure out this, I think it'll be useful to other people.
    .....

    still having a look for this death - no luck so far.. think the original index is incorrect..

    did you spot any other entries for 4th Qtr South Dublin/Donnybrook 1 or 2 is your searches ?

    ETA - for ref :

    Dublin North - deaths_1914/05289/4470032.pdf
    Dublin South / Clondalkin deaths_1914/05289/4470033.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470036.pdf
    Dublin South / Crumlin deaths_1914/05289/4470036.pdf
    Dublin South / Donnybrook No. 1 deaths_1914/05289/4470037.pdf /deaths_1914/05289/4470046.pdf
    Dublin South / Donnybrook No. 2 deaths_1914/05289/4470047.pdf
    Dublin South / ???? deaths_1914/05289/4470048.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470049.pdf
    [blank] deaths_1914/05289/4470050.pdf
    Dublin South / New Kilmainham deaths_1914/05289/4470053.pdf
    [blank] deaths_1914/05289/4470054.pdf
    Dublin South / Rathfarnham deaths_1914/05289/4470055.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470055.pdf
    [blank] deaths_1914/05289/4470056.pdf
    Dublin South / Rathmines No. 1 deaths_1914/05289/4470057.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470063.pdf
    [blank] deaths_1914/05289/4470064.pdf
    Dublin South / Rathmines No. 2 deaths_1914/05289/4470065.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470076.pdf
    Dublin South / Tallaght deaths_1914/05289/4470077.pdf
    [blank] deaths_1914/05289/4470078.pdf
    Dublin South / No. 1 deaths_1914/05289/4470079.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470122.pdf
    Dublin South / No. 2 deaths_1914/05289/4470123.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470128.pdf
    Dublin South / No. 3 deaths_1914/05289/4470129.pdf deaths_1914/05289/4470154.pdf
    Dublin South / No. 4 deaths_1914/05289/4470155.pdf /deaths_1914/05289/4470174.pdf
    Dundalk / Barronstown deaths_1914/05289/4470175.pdf


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    #314
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    None at all - and thank you for looking so hard!

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    #315
    shanew
    Registered Users Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    I suppose the death could be in one of the other sub-districts if she were in a hospital - but no sign of her in either of the Donnybrook districts - didn't view the others in as much detail. Pages 4470047.pdf to 4470049.pdf cover the third qtr of 1914 for Donnybrook No. 2, there is one Lacey on the 2nd page


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    #316
    shanew
    Registered Users Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    found her!! page is 478, S. City No. 1 - 2nd last record on this page


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    #317
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I did some further digging on her and found she was in the South Dublin workhouse a couple of times with rheumatism. It's possible she died there.

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    #318
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Shane - you absolute star! Thank you so much.
    If there was a gold star poster award, you would surely get it.

    And it's funny that I had just said, she might have died in the workhouse!

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    #319
    shanew
    Registered Users Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    for the generic searches I use the FamilySearch Index, just enter the district and year, then look for any records matching the year, or year & quarter, of interest, preferably with a less common name (the IrishGen search is more picky for names than FS). The FamilySearch search is not good with overlapping district / county names - e.g. Wexford, Cork etc, which can give more results than intended.

    In Lacey case the page linked looked correct as the number matched, and there were Dublin South records in the same image sequence. I've seen at other cases where the page number or volume given on the index was wrong - those with incorrect volume are usually easy to spot as they dont match other records in the same timeframe & district. Incorrect page numbers usually seem to be due to misreadings e.g. noting a 3 as a 5, or 8 etc. This one seems to be a mistake - reading a 4 as a six doesn't seem likely - maybe some terrible handwriting. I wonder if the original index book also has 678 ? seems strange that both FamilySearch and GRO got this one wrong

    I'd expect there are at least a few mistakes in the original index when the book were compiled - Id love to have seen the index being complied and how the big lists of names were sorted alphabetically!


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    #320
    cobham
    Registered Users Posts: 760 ✭✭✭cobham


    It was great to see the actual certs online so handily. But also a lot have no images available. Are these being gradually added to or have we had our lot?


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    #321
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,302 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Marriages before 1882 and deaths before 1891 are not yet available but will be added at some future date.

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    #322
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Threads merged. We like to keep all comments on the GRO records in one place, otherwise the natives get restless!

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    #323
    VirginiaB
    Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭VirginiaB


    Does anyone have any idea when 19c civil records will appear in images on Irishgenealogy.ie? That is, marriages before 1882 and deaths before 1891? They are really essential for many, especially for those of us whose ancestors emigrated during the Famine and aftermath. Family who remained in Ireland had died before those cut-off dates.


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    #324
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Threads merged. Please post these queries in this thread.

    No idea. In March, one of their people told me a "few months".
    They're civil servants: it'll happen when they feel like it.

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    #325
    VirginiaB
    Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭VirginiaB


    Thanks--hard to wait with so many questions.


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    #326
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Send them an email and ask for an update!

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    #327
    josip
    Registered Users Posts: 13,636 ✭✭✭✭josip


    In May I was told:
    The General Register Office (GRO) are working on a tranche of Marriage (pre 1882) and Death (pre 1891) records as well as an additional year of all Birth, Marriage and Death Records. These will be added soon. Further details will be publicised on the website in due course.

    Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon.
    And for the rest of our lives.


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    #328
    mickmackey1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭mickmackey1


    Probably when we're in the Register ourselves...


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    #329
    VirginiaB
    Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭VirginiaB


    OK, I'm laughing. But I will send that email--or tear-stained note on pastel stationery.


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    #330
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    mickmackey1 wrote: »
    Probably when we're in the Register ourselves...

    Most of us were on the register - before the DPC cut back the years they could publish...


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    #331
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,302 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    L1011 wrote: »
    Most of us were on the register...

    That was a little piece of heaven.
    What us adopted folk could do during that all too brief window!

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