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Rainbow Cup 2021

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,247 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Ulster missed out on Pro14 playoffs for this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    They botched the pro 14 and changed the structure mid way through the season for the SA teams...what a joke rugby governance has been especially considering Toulon being thrown out of the HCC.

    Very amateur.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,552 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Pussyhands wrote: »
    They botched the pro 14 and changed the structure mid way through the season for the SA teams...what a joke rugby governance has been especially considering Toulon being thrown out of the HCC.

    Very amateur.
    Not really in the hands of rugby governance based on this


  • Subscribers Posts: 40,721 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Let them come here and we'll play an 8 team Bokke / Paddy competition

    Sure that's all people want to see anyway


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭PMC83


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Let them come here and we'll play an 8 team Bokke / Paddy competition

    Sure that's all people want to see anyway


    Yeah that would be good tbh


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,597 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Not really in the hands of rugby governance based on this

    Were they planning to play their home games in England? Wonder could they just play them in Wales or Scotland instead or if Westminster would decide either way. Sure wasn't UK offering to host Lions games at one stage? Probably easier with the 1 team but still..


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    The plan was ambitious and was something that had been mooted for quite a while.

    The execution (botching up a season already in progress) and timing (in the midst of a global pandemic when governments are terrified of variants) was baffling.

    The alternative will be inter-pros rehashed to form some sort of Celtic cup but the public interest will be close to non existent.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,991 ✭✭✭Caranica


    Would basing themselves in a low incidence European city work? Saracens played at least one European game in Brussels (2012/2013 season) for example, I was expecting them to base the South African teams somewhere like that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,724 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    SA is on the UK Red list so it was always on the cards. Basically if you've been in SA in the last 10 days and aren't a UK national you'll be refused entry to the UK.

    Maybe the Saffers could go to another country for 10 days and then travel to the UK?

    I assumed this was the reason why the South African sides were joining the competition late? Surely they knew they were on the UK red list?


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,601 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    bilston wrote: »
    SA is on the UK Red list so it was always on the cards. Basically if you've been in SA in the last 10 days and aren't a UK national you'll be refused entry to the UK.

    Maybe the Saffers could go to another country for 10 days and then travel to the UK?

    I assumed this was the reason why the South African sides were joining the competition late? Surely they knew they were on the UK red list?

    They were probably hoping to get away with an exemption with a mandatory hotel quarantine or something, but it sounds like they've been told they can't base themselves in the UK at all.

    Honestly I think at this point it's probably best to just scrap it all and play a round of interpros, I mean we're coming in to what would have been the off-season anyways. Just revisit it for later in the year and start from scratch where the Champions Cup qualification etc can be taken into account and a proper setup in place


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Ulster missed out on Pro14 playoffs for this.

    Ulster and Connacht both did


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,247 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Bazzo wrote: »
    Ulster and Connacht both did

    It's a shambles.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,745 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Bazzo wrote: »
    Ulster and Connacht both did
    Meh. Leinster would have beaten Connacht, Munster would probably have beaten Ulster and Leinster would still be champions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Meh. Leinster would have beaten Connacht, Munster would probably have beaten Ulster and Leinster would still be champions.

    Sure why bother playing the league at all? Just do a trophy presentation to Leinster every September.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,247 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Meh. Leinster would have beaten Connacht, Munster would probably have beaten Ulster and Leinster would still be champions.

    Yes. It's imperative that this conversation becomes about how great Leinster are.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,247 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Bazzo wrote: »
    Sure why bother playing the league at all? Just do a trophy presentation to Leinster every September.

    It'd be better. Then we wouldn't have to worry about upsets or anything exciting or unpredictable happening.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,724 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Meh. Leinster would have beaten Connacht, Munster would probably have beaten Ulster and Leinster would still be champions.

    I'm tempted to have a nibble, but I'll not bother


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    This was always the most likely outcome, as we said way back when this was announced. Ulster and Connacht absolutely robbed.

    I am a Leinster fan but if Ulster or Connacht do turn Leinster or Munster over in a playoff whenever the next season is, there’ll be a certain undeniable justice to that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,886 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    What a haphazard situation! Total cluster fcuk and mismanagement.
    I would hope the the SA teams can come to Ireland and play the provinces?


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Dubinusa wrote: »
    What a haphazard situation! Total cluster fcuk and mismanagement.
    I would hope the the SA teams can come to Ireland and play the provinces?

    Mismanagement? Mandatory Hotel Quarantine wasn't a thing when this was announced.

    It was a risk, with much more than the Proxx in mind, and it didn't pay off.

    Ulster and Connacht can feel rightly aggrieved, however.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,745 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Thinking on it a while I don't see the point of cancelling it immediately. The SA teams aren't due to play up North until the end of May which means they don't have to travel for another two months and the situation with the UK could easily have changed in that time. They'll have to play games amongst themselves anyway, so IMO they should just go ahead with rounds 1-3 (as should we) and see what the story is come early May before deciding to can it or not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,108 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I know it would be politically incorrect to do this, but if there were a few hundred spare J&J vaccines lying around, they could vaccinate all the players and officials and then they could come over and stay in Thurles and play their games in the spare venues we have in Ireland. Munster have 2 Pro-14 standard venues, Leinster have 2, Ulster have 2, just need somewhere for the 4th team to play.

    (yeah I know that would never happen)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,690 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Akrasia wrote: »
    I know it would be politically incorrect to do this, but if there were a few hundred spare J&J vaccines lying around, they could vaccinate all the players and officials and then they could come over and stay in Thurles and play their games in the spare venues we have in Ireland. Munster have 2 Pro-14 standard venues, Leinster have 2, Ulster have 2, just need somewhere for the 4th team to play.

    (yeah I know that would never happen)

    where's Ulsters 2nd btw?
    Leinster only have 2 if you are counting Aviva as theres which it isnt.
    You wouldnt have to vaccinate all players and officials to do this. Just test players prior to arrival and on arrival. Any positives and players/coaches isolate for 2 weeks before rejoining the rest


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    https://twitter.com/RuaidhriOC/status/1381323836239581186

    Reading this Twitter thread from ROC of the Indo, the RC may not be buried just yet.
    I imagine they'll release some form of statement tomorrow to address the reports.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,811 ✭✭✭Tigerandahalf


    This isn't good for any Rainbow Cup or Pro16 for next season.
    CNBC: Covid variant from South Africa was able to ‘break through’ Pfizer vaccine in Israeli study.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/11/covid-variant-from-south-africa-was-able-to-break-through-pfizer-vaccine-in-israeli-study.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭yerrahbah


    https://www.the42.ie/rainbow-cup-south-africa-5407204-Apr2021/

    The Rainbow Cup will go ahead, just don't know if the SA sides will be in it or not yet


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭FrannoFan


    just to add some outrage to people who love their movements restricted

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/other-sport/2021/0412/1209290-elite-athletes-may-receive-quarantine-exemption/


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,889 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    where's Ulsters 2nd btw?


    Sadly the Casement Park refurbishment has become a debacle though Ulster GAA might veto it's use for rugby if it ever gets completed..

    The first redevelopment to be completed was the 18,000-capacity rugby stadium at Ravenhill.Now called the Kingspan Stadium, work finished in May 2014.


    Next was the 18,500-capacity revamped Windsor Park soccer stadium in October 2016.


    As for Casement Park, it lies empty, decaying with every passing day. Happily planning consent has been approved and works shoul begin this year....but we've been there before of course. Access to it is horrendous from the point of view of travelling fans arriving by car. There is nowhere to park.





    I suppose Windsor Park could be used for rugby in extreme circs. It's a nice modern ground with a great pitch.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,597 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Fixtures out for 1st 3 rounds

    Confirmation for Rounds 4-6 will follow once PRO14 Rugby has received all necessary approvals and permissions from the relevant governments and health authorities for the South African teams to travel.

    https://twitter.com/PRO14Official/status/1381927897699651586


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    Law variations announced. Going to get to see the impact of the new red card rule for ourselves, which should be interesting...Wonder if we'll see less pick and drives at the line as it benefits defences to hold the ball up over the line.
    Replacement for Red Card player after 20 minutes
    For red cards the offending player will be removed from the field for 20 minutes. After this time the team can replace this player with one of their nominated substitutes. The player who is given the red card will not be able to return to the pitch.

    Just like the awarding of a yellow card, the 20 minutes will be measured in ‘game time’ meaning that the clock will not run during stoppages in play. The Red Card Replacement law will also apply to players who receive two yellow cards (which results in an automatic red).

    Players who have been substituted for tactical reasons may be used to replace a player who has received a red card. The usual replacement laws continue to apply in that a replaced player may return for an injured front rower, injury due to foul play, HIA or blood.

    Captain’s Challenge
    The Captain’s Challenge is aimed at enhancing the accuracy of decisions already under the remit of the match officials. Each team is allowed one captain’s challenge in the match. These can be used for try-scoring and foul play incidents, or to challenge any refereeing decision in the last five minutes of a match.

    The challenge will be referred to the TMO who will review the footage with the match referee making the final decision. If a challenge is successful, then the team keeps their challenge but if it is unsuccessful then the team loses the challenge. Challenges can only be made up to 20 seconds after the referee has blown his whistle for a stoppage in play and only incidents from the last passage of play can be challenged.

    Prior to the 75-minute mark, the Captain’s Challenge can only be used to check for an infringement in the lead up to a try or to review foul play. The Captain’s Challenge will be applied more broadly from the 75-minute mark in any match at which point the captain, provided they have not already lost their Challenge, can use it to check any whistled decision regardless of whether a try has been scored. Injury time is included in the post 75-minute period.

    TMOs will be able to go back to the last stoppage in play, regardless of how many phases have been played

    Foul play challenges can be made after any stoppage in play if the captain believes foul play has been missed by the match officials

    Captains must reference ‘specific’ incidents or infringements

    Footage must be ‘clear and obvious’ for a challenge to be upheld

    Captains cannot refer a scrum or lineout penalty, where the referee’s decision will be final

    For the avoidance of doubt, there is no extra challenge available after 75 minutes. Teams receive one challenge per match and will only retain it if they are successful in a previous challenge.

    What cannot be challenged

    A restart in play has happened including a quick tap or quick throw in has been taken, so the team has chosen to play quickly

    Non-decisions – where a referee does not blow their whistle for a decision and play continues (unless there is foul play)

    Set-piece decisions cannot be challenged because they are technical decisions that could provide multiple outcomes based on the interpretations of players and referees

    Goal-line drop-out
    For held-up over the line, knock-ons that occur in goal or when the ball is grounded by a defending player in the in-goal area after a kick through, the defending team will take a drop-out from anywhere on the goal line.

    The drop-out must be taken on or behind the defending team’s goal line and it must occur without delay. The ball must cut across the goal line and travel 5 metres. If this does not occur a sanction will apply and the non-kicking team may request the kick to be retaken or receive a 5m scrum in line with where the kick was taken.

    For the avoidance of doubt, a missed penalty kick at goal or a missed drop-goal attempt will still result in a 22m drop-out for the defending team.

    🤪



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