alanmc wrote: »

I have an application in since Dec 2nd last year. I found out Saturday that it hasn't even left the FO's in tray yet. So, I'm a little worried of how close to the 3 month limit I'm getting.

How hard and fast do the Gardai tend to be with this particular 3 month rule? The FO seemed to think that it was 3 months from when it went upstairs to the Supers office. I always thought it was from the date on the application.

Should I start pushing harder to get this application moving? Or is it more prudent to give a gentle nudge and wait it out?

That 3 month thing is a load of bull, never listened to. Keep putting the FO under pressure. Ring daily if you have to, till he gets the finger out. After that ring the supers clerk and ask to make an appointment to see him. Then the FO will get the finger out.

It's really from the date on the application form, next to your signature.
However, In the past I have had certs issued 5 months after the application date. I also never (ever) receive the first letters telling me it's being processed, but no harm as all I want is the cert itself.

It's not always a No or bad news scenario when the Cert is late, just poor administrative systems that probably frustrate the average cop as much as they do us.

Not much consolation when you're waiting though !

Lads if your an NARGC member and worried contact the fund admin, as he has smoothed over a couple of things up our way and lads are now licensed and sleeping better.

Not if your Solicitor is anyway good, they won't. This is old hat , that we have seen in the oughties in DC courts. They might extend it once, with an admonition to the Super in question to get the thumb out. But twice or three times, the judge will probably grant the license himself,if you Solr is worth his salt.

Happened in Limerick with my 1st appeal. Three extensions and the Guards never showed up for any of them. The judge lost it with a new guy that was there on his first day in court representing the Cheif, with no briefing whatsoever and granted all licenses there and then.:)

Remember too, they now have the sword hanging over them, that if they lose, they are liable for costs as well.So they have to weigh up their cost of faffing us around too much. Costs these days, as I have been led to understand, have gone up a tad in our legal professions side into double figures ever since it has become statue legislation.

Waited 8 months for my first license, kept pressure on the FO and nothing was done so I went to the super and was told it was never given to him. After speaking with him I had it within two weeks

alanmc wrote: »

After a few "drop-ins" to the station, I think the FO just wanted me to go away, so he sent my application up to the Super last week. Here's hoping it comes through soon. I'm at the 3 month mark tomorrow.

The FO still maintains that it's 3 months from when it hits the Supers in tray.

Regardless, it's on the move, so I'm not going to worry about it for another while anyway.

The three month thing is whatever they want it to be. There's no accountability in that organisation for not doing your job and processing the applications in a timely manner.

That said, I've had dealings with plenty of good, efficient Gardaí. Nearly all of my dealings were positive to be honest.

Probably like every organisation, some people are just lazy.

Cass wrote: »

Only had this conversation with a chap in the last 24 hours, but it's been said umpteen times on the forum.

The AGS deem the process started or more accurately the application received when they begin to process it. So it [the application] can sit for a week, month, few months, etc. and when they start to process it and enter it onto pulse is when it's recorded.

Its why during the Dail hearings a few years back we argueed strongly against the claim from AGS that they process 95% of applications within the 3 month time frame. They record those stats based on what i've said above, yet the law says it's when the application is submitted (when we drop it in).

'The law's an asal' sometimes

lefthooker wrote: »

It’s only an ass because of the interpretation that’s afforded to each Super and their reluctance to adhere to their own commissioners guidelines. All the work is carried out by the FPO, if and when it lands in his/her office. The super just needs to sign off.

One example, like for like substitutions. Should be completed by the FPO, no need to involve a Super. Surrender your gun to a dealer, bring details of the new gun to the FPO, he logs them onto the system. Job done. Go collect your gun. No faffing around for weeks or months without your licensed firearm.

Another current speed bump is the large number of renewals bring processed atm.

Sorry to slightly hijack the thread - I have never done a substitution before so not aware of the process. I ASSUMED you bought the new firearm and held on to the old one until the substiution came through, then you handed in the old firearm to your RFD and picked up the new one.
Do you mean to tell me that when you do a sub you have to hand your existing firearm in when you BUY the new firearm meaning you could have nothing to deal with foxs, crows etc until the AGS pull their finger out and get it processed.
If thats the case that is barking mad.

lefthooker wrote: »

In a word, woof woof.

Jesus H. Christ. And then they have the cheek to ask you why would you need more than one gun.
That makes no sense at all.

If rebarreling a gun would you use the FCA2 form?

alanmc wrote: »

To the same caliber with a different serial number, then yes. Just to chnage the serial if indeed you are changing the serial.

If the old barrel is being destroyed and the new barrel is having the same serial, then there should be no need to do anything.

Most barrels dont have a serial number. The action does, nothing stopping someone owning multiple barrels of the same calibre.

alanmc wrote: »

All of my rifles have the serial number on the barrel. I had to submit a FCA2 when changing barrel on my 308 just to change the serial number. Was done in no time at all though.

So basically, your rifle has one serial number on the receiver and an entirely different one on the barrel. How does that work out?