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Moon Landing

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  • #92
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Lol, that's a bit of a misdirect there.
    We aren't talking about the possibility of alien life, we're talking about your very silly claim that astronauts used a reference to Santa Claus as code to mean that there was aliens on the Moon.

    Based on the data (which YOU won't acknowledge any reply to, for fear of upsetting your own godless, athiest, closed, human-only universe mindset)...

    The Astronouts were 'likely' breifed in a variety of coded words for 'unexpected event reporting'. Is that so hard to believe?

    Bearing in mind, they couldn't e-mail or txt a slow, live, recorded audio transmission was their only option. The answer is no-one can say for sure, but it is 'very likely' that facility and method of reporting existed.

    Now your turn...:

    Based on Kepler space mission data, that there could be as many as 40 billion Earth-sized planets orbiting in the habitable zones of Sun-like stars and red dwarfs in the Milky Way.

    and with 100 billion galaxies in the observable Universe…

    Is there a chance of life outside of Earth?

    Let’s see… (fumbles with calculator) 40,000,000,000 X 100,000,000,000.
    'possible habitable planets', the Casio calculator return says ‘4E21’ think it’s broken now, thanks.


  • #93
    King Mob
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    Theodore Wrong Tugboat wrote: »
    The Astronouts were 'likely' breifed in a variety of coded words for 'unexpected event reporting'. Is that so hard to believe?
    Yes, as
    1. There's no evidence any such code ever existed.
    2. It doesn't make any sense for them to use such an obvious, blatant code that anyone can figure out apparently.
    3. The more likely explanation of it being a simple moment of humor is far more reasonable and much much less silly.

    I am not going to respond to random off topic nonsense when you still haven't answered my direct question:

    What's more probable?
    Giant silly conspiracy that lasts decades?
    Or
    Dude made a joke?


  • #94
    Harika
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    Theodore Wrong Tugboat wrote: »

    Based on Kepler space mission data, that there could be as many as 40 billion Earth-sized planets orbiting in the habitable zones of Sun-like stars and red dwarfs in the Milky Way.

    and with 100 billion galaxies in the observable Universe…

    Is there a chance of life outside of Earth?

    Let’s see… (fumbles with calculator) 40,000,000,000 X 100,000,000,000.
    'possible habitable planets', the Casio calculator return says ‘4E21’ think it’s broken now, thanks.


    So what? If there are that many civilisations there, where are they? Where is their BBC or RTE broadcast to watch, where are their signals? Congratulations, how you have discovered the Fermi Paradox.
    If there actually was some stuff on the back of the moon, then one of the later probes from different countries would have picked that up.


  • #95
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Yes, as
    There's no evidence any such code ever existed.

    Of course, that's it's purpose by using coded messages it wouldn't be advertised to the masses. As already said, it's very likely such a facilty existed for unexpected reports, but only those in the know (not you or I), would be able to say if it was used.

    Of course you won't answer the other question, as you know 'it's likely', that other more intleigent life exists outside of earth (40,000,000,000,00,000,000,000 / 1 probability).

    It's likely your head would melt, being a godless, 'human-only universe' believer. I understand it's an internal conflict you have, hence the refusal to answer the question.

    But of course you've already previously agreed in other posts, that it is indeed likely, ah well....

    Obvs any higher inteligence would't send a fancy telegram, but merely observe and study, until a time of their choosing.


  • #96
    King Mob
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    Theodore Wrong Tugboat wrote: »
    Of course, that's it's purpose by using coded messages it wouldn't be advertised to the masses.
    And the only code they could use was to say "Santa Claus" out of no where for no reason and they expected that no one would think that was strange or out of place? And that they thought that no one might be able to twig that they might be referring to aliens?
    It's not a very good code.

    It's obvious to you as well as most other rational people that it was a joke made on Christmas Eve.
    You know that's the likely explanation.
    Theodore Wrong Tugboat wrote: »
    Of course you won't answer the other question,
    Nope, no interest as it's off topic and a bit ranty and you've been unable to answer a simple direct question put to you.


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  • #97
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Nope, no interest as it's off topic and a bit ranty and you've been unable to answer a simple direct question put to you.

    You've been unable to answer a simple direct question put to you, which is directly associated and of interest to this event.

    This is because you know the honest answer you would give, conflicts directly with your very existance, very interesting.

    Come take a seat on this nice black leather couch and chat all about what event(s) caused you to dismiss any concept of god, or existance of alternative life in this (known) universe of 40,000,000,000,00,000,000,000 habitable planets...


  • #98
    King Mob
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    Theodore Wrong Tugboat wrote: »
    You've been unable to answer a simple direct question put to you, which is directly associated and of interest to this event.
    But it's not though.
    Even if your rantings made sense and held up, it doesn't help your claim that the Apollo astronauts were using a super secret code you cracked.

    You know they were making a joke.
    You know that's the most likely explanation. That's why you dodged the very direct question put to you.


  • #99
    Cheerful Spring
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    Theodore Wrong Tugboat wrote: »
    A similar expression to when Donald came out of the private chat with Barry O' after handover for the role of POTUS, a bit pale and shell shocked.

    Unexplained interactions (references to 'santa claus', dark-side audio bursts and moon tracks) are all different issues to whether or not they actually landed and walked about.

    More importantly however than all this, is who is going to actually land and create a permanent base there first. There's only 3 players, maybe 4 if India develops exponentially.

    From my short time looking this up the Santa Claus claim was made by a woman called Donna Hare. She alleges she worked for a contractor at Naza where she claims she saw Naza smudge and fudge images with UFOs and objects on the moon and mars? I don't know if you can just trust just one person claim about this. She could be a loon if all we know.


  • #100
    namloc1980
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    So basically we have:

    1. Apollo astronaut references Santa Claus
    2. Kepler mission,
    3. ??????
    4. PROOF OF ALIENS

    Some people have very vivid imaginations.


  • #101
    Ipso
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    So basically we have:

    1. Apollo astronaut references Santa Claus
    2. Kepler mission,
    3. ??????
    4. PROOF OF ALIENS

    Some people have very vivid imaginations.

    They’re not saying it’s aliens . . . . But aliens.


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  • #102
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    Yes, it's only us folks here amongst 40,000,000,000,00,000,000,000 habitable planets,
    chances are anything just slightly more inteligent than us humans^ would have be very interested in our 1st non-planetary walk-about.

    Bear in mind ^we've moved from a cranky wooden canvas plane barely making it across one green field in 1903,
    to Apollo Fusion talking about using mercury, krypton or xenon as a form of ion propulsion for future multi-planetary missions.

    In a few hours (tonight) the NASA InSight lander will touch down on Mars, bit of a change from steam trains eh?
    101yrs ago, the RAF didn't even exist and the notion of breaking sound was a whoopie cushion party-trick.

    Chances are, also, that astronauts would have been breifed on various report codes for unexpected event scenarios.

    Back in '69 the only practical method was 'voice delivery' back to mission control, so a vocal expression it would be, in such an event.
    Sure we had three seperate pilots send unidendified flying object IAA reports just last week off Kerry.


  • #103
    Dohnjoe
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    Theodore Wrong Tugboat wrote: »

    Chances are, also, that astronauts would have been breifed on various report codes for unexpected event scenarios.

    According to NASA or according to you?


  • #104
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    According to NASA or according to you?

    I don't see what they need special codes when they control the broadcasts and transmissions. It not like we hear everything the astronauts said during the 1969 mission.


  • #105
    namloc1980
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    Theodore Wrong Tugboat wrote: »
    Chances are, also, that astronauts would have been breifed on various report codes for unexpected event scenarios.

    Back in '69 the only practical method was 'voice delivery' back to mission control, so a vocal expression it would be, in such an event.
    Sure we had three seperate pilots send unidendified flying object IAA reports just last week off Kerry.

    You have zero proof of the codes scenario other than some bizarre hypothesis. And why use such a stupid and easily decoded word by conspiracists like Santa Claus? Surely for secret codes like this something benign like, I don't know say "PZT is set to green" or something that wouldn't be so obvious. Or you know just wait until they return to earth 2 days later and get debriefed???


  • #106
    Cheerful Spring
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    You have zero proof of the codes scenario other than some bizarre hypothesis. And why use such a stupid and easily decoded word by conspiracists like Santa Claus? Surely for secret codes like this something benign like, I don't know say "PZT is set to green" or something that wouldn't be so obvious. Or you know just wait until they return to earth 2 days later and get debriefed???

    Donna Hare claims that Nasa used Santa Claus as a secret code for UFOs. It traces right back to her. There no Nasa transmission that I know of Astronauts saying Santa Claus is out there or over there?


  • #107
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    According to NASA or according to you?

    Surely according to all basic likelyhood?

    e.g. Okay lads you're off to the moon, if you should see/experience something unexpected and don't wish it to be broadcast to, tape recorded, and noted back here at MC, ahh sure just keep it to yourself.

    If you should have mission fail, loss of craft and full human asset termination as a result of this unexpected event, don't worry a few lads here will figure out what exactly happened around a crystal ball, over at the coffee machine table.

    Even a black 'n white cruiser will send a 10-42 code back to base, at the end of their shift. 10-4?


  • #108
    namloc1980
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Donna Hare claims that Nasa used Santa Claus as a secret code for UFOs. It traces right back to her. There no Nasa transmission that I know of Astronauts saying Santa Claus is out there or over there?

    How would she know? She never worked for NASA. Her company that she worked for was one of numerous companies contracted to provide services to NASA, in her case as a technical drawer or draughtsman. I would highly doubt she had access to anything of any significance within NASA or anywhere for that matter.


  • #109
    Cheerful Spring
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    How would she know? She never worked for NASA. Her company that she worked for was one of numerous companies contracted to provide services to NASA, in her case as a technical drawer or draughtsman. I would highly doubt she had access to anything of any significance within NASA or anywhere for that matter.

    You still might see things if you have access to areas in NASA. I don't know if anyone has actually verified her credentials for credibility though?


  • #110
    namloc1980
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    Theodore Wrong Tugboat wrote: »
    Surely according to all basic likelyhood?

    e.g. Okay lads you're off to the moon, if you should see/experience something unexpected and don't wish it to be broadcast to, tape recorded, and noted back here at MC, ahh sure just keep it to yourself.

    If you should have mission fail, loss of craft and full human asset termination as a result of this unexpected event, don't worry a few lads here will figure out what exactly happened around a crystal ball, over at the coffee machine table.

    Even a black 'n white cruiser will send a 10-42 code back to base, at the end of their shift. 10-4?

    "But don't use something stupid like Santa Claus".


  • #111
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    namloc1980 wrote: »
    "But don't use something stupid like Santa Claus".

    Perhaps, but a mythical figure that flys through time and space, and on Dec 24th?
    "please be informed there is a Santa Claus"

    Would be hard-pressed to find a better example of what viable public broadcast codeword to use. Just a theory anyway.


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  • #112
    Cheerful Spring
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    Theodore Wrong Tugboat wrote: »
    Perhaps, but a mythical figure that flys through time and space, and on Dec 24th?



    Would be hard-pressed to find a better example of what viable public broadcast codeword to use. Just a theory anyway.

    Why would NASA need code words if they control the transmission on their side? It not like people got to watch a 24-hour broadcast in 1969


  • #113
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Why would NASA need code words if they control the transmission on their side? It not like people got to watch a 24-hour broadcast in 1969

    Communication is a 2-way process is it not?

    Even if it was secure (1968/9) trans, to only one (very, very, large) organisation with lots of employees, would they want any juicy details vocalised in a free and open manner.

    They could use a technical (non-operational) operation, or physical switch term, but that would lead to a bit of head-scratching from a large engineering team.


  • #114
    Cheerful Spring
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    Theodore Wrong Tugboat wrote: »
    Communication is a 2-way process is it not?

    Even if it was secure (1968/9) trans, to only one (very, very, large) organisation with lots of employees, would they want any juicy details vocalised in a free and open manner.

    They could use a technical (non-operational) operation, or physical switch term, but that would lead to a bit of head-scratching from a large engineering team.

    Maybe it possible. Employees have likely signed non-disclosure agreements when they worked there and they probably for life?

    End of the day there no evidence Nasa used Santa Claus as code for UFOs I be wary of claiming that personally.


  • #115
    King Mob
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    Or maybe... Just maybe some one made a joke about Santa Claus on Christmas Eve...

    Just to be clear accumulator, when the astronauts were talking about their farts and turds on the mission, was this code also?


  • #116
    Dohnjoe
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    Theodore Wrong Tugboat wrote: »
    Surely according to all basic likelyhood?

    e.g. Okay lads you're off to the moon, if you should see/experience something unexpected and don't wish it to be broadcast to, tape recorded, and noted back here at MC, ahh sure just keep it to yourself.

    If you should have mission fail, loss of craft and full human asset termination as a result of this unexpected event, don't worry a few lads here will figure out what exactly happened around a crystal ball, over at the coffee machine table.

    Even a black 'n white cruiser will send a 10-42 code back to base, at the end of their shift. 10-4?

    This is the story? (further down)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3958770/Have-alien-hunters-spotted-hundreds-UFOs-leaving-moon-just-optical-illusion.html


  • #117
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    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    This is the story? (further down)

    Haven't bothered to read, but the full link address on mouse.hover indicates your suggesting some some random luckydip story, vaguely refrencing the moon. And from the world's favourite online taboild, vomited up by a journo student on unpaid work placement.

    For sheer entertainment value you should really read the express(uk), on any given day they guarantee have (all) of the following headlines:

    WW3 alert!, Brexit Surrender, and of course a picture special on either one of three popular ladies: Holly Woolabobie, the Countdown Lass in tight frock spelling a funny word, or the lovely Verswarmy? (weather girl) from Channel 4/5 or something, pure value.


  • #118
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Or maybe... Just maybe some one made a joke about Santa Claus on Christmas Eve...

    Just to be clear accumulator, when the astronauts were talking about their farts and turds on the mission, was this code also?

    Who knows 100% for sure, only yourself, and no one else.


  • #119
    King Mob
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    Theodore Wrong Tugboat wrote: »

    Who knows 100% for sure, only yourself, and no one else.
    Wait, so you actually think it's possible that when they were talking about farming and a turd floating around the capsule, they were in fact talking about aliens...?
    Lol.


  • #120
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    King Mob wrote: »
    Wait, so you actually think it's possible that when they were talking about farming and a turd floating around the capsule, they were in fact talking about aliens...?
    Lol.

    Again only you know for sure.

    Your 'expert opinion' regarding the possibility or facility of using any vocal coded messages (the santa claus reference) for unexpected events, when voice delivery was the only realistic inbound communication method in '68/69 is all that matters here.

    Much, much, more interesting however, is that you 'don't have any view nor opinion on the possibility of life outside of earth'. now that absolute silence and diversion is much more interesting observation for all.

    From memory think you previously mentioned many months ago that 'it was indeed likely', given the clear probability. So what the sudden non-comment on this directly related issue now?

    Hmm, scratches chin...


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  • #121
    King Mob
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    Theodore Wrong Tugboat wrote: »
    Again only you know for sure.

    Your 'expert opinion' regarding the possibility or facility of using any vocal coded messages (the santa claus reference) for unexpected events, when voice delivery was the only realistic inbound communication method in '68/69 is all that matters here.
    So then when they were referring to farts and turds, what do you think they were actually talking about, since you've cracked their code?

    And I don't claim to be an expert, I can just see why the suggestion that "Santa Claus means aliens" is ridiculous and silly and a bit childish.


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