Labour's Corbyn suspended for reaction to anti-semitism report

biko wrote: »

Fun fact, the only other party ever needed to be investigated by EHRC was the British National Party.

While technically true, it's also the case that seemingly the EHRC have been ignoring calls from the Muslim community about the Tories, which go back years.

Ironically, a link to this can be found in the link you shared earlier, but must have missed it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48434202

Five Eighth wrote: »

Agree that Corbyn was punished for criticising the state of Israel and its actions in the Middle East. However, he went into the last British General Election with a very mixed message on Brexit (he was a natural socialist leaver while many southern England Labour party activists were remainers) and with McDonnell ended up making absolutely ridiculous promises to the electorate that nobody believed could ever be delivered.

Keir Starmer now has the opportunity to take on and beat the most inept Tory government in living memory.

to be fair what he was promising was very easy to deliver.
it was essentially restoring the services people need and use to full working order.
now whether politics would have prevented him from delivering i don't know but certainly from a monitary point of view his whole manifesto was easily deliverable.
but certainly when people have been sold a pup for a decade and services have been constantly cut to a barely operable level it's probably understandable that people might start to believe that they cannot be got up to full working order again.

Joe_ Public wrote: »

If you leave the corbyn stuff aside for a moment, the hardest evidence we have so far consists of Starmer:

*upsetting bame communities by referring to blm protests as a "moment"

*talking about getting tough and bringing the law down on the people who were toppling statues in bristol and elsewhere

*whipping his mps to abstain on a government bill that, among other things, sanctions the use of torture by security forces

So while he talks about unity on the one hand, his actions suggest he will try to challenge his main opponents on a law and order ticket and base policies around the core mission of winning those so called red wall seats. If that means drifting even further right, or even the purge of the left a lot of people would like, then i wouldn't see him shying away from it.

yes, i would agree with this also.

biko wrote: »

It was the refusal to apologise for not doing enough about anti-Semitic allegations during his reign.

Is it anti-Semitic to not investigate the allegations? In a roundabout way yes.

Labour have a anti-Semitism problem.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/18/labour-antisemitism-jews-jeremy-corbyn

he had nothing to appologise for given he had tried to do everything in his power to deal with the issue, but was stifled from actually doing so in an effective manner either by having information withheld from him or any attempts to deal with certain cases stalled, all by those who just did not want to accept the will of the party members and accept him as the leader.
not to mention his multiple appologies already, and his plans to implement a very high standard process to deal with claims of any sort of ism or phobia.
we know he expelled plenty of members for anti-semitism.
if any allegations weren't investigated then that wasn't down to corbyn, either there was no evidence for the allegations or again, there was a deliberate attempt by elements of the party to prevent investigation.
labour have or at least had some anti-semites, which yes is a problem, however there is no doubt what soever the issue was deliberately blown up into something bigger, personally i suspect there was potentially a lot more to this then simply keeping a corbyn led government out of power, but that is just a hunch.

.anon. wrote: »

This is how Stephen Kinnock - a Labour MP - reacted to his own party's success in 2017, when Corbyn made it very electable, in the face of huge opposition from many of his own MPs.

That was such a great programme. They were praying Corbyn would be smashed. I do feel sorry for Kinnock though as he is definitely not the worst. That said it was funny seeing his much more savvy wife tell him off.

RWCNT wrote: »

This is the misconception that's bugging me - the current leadership aren't accusing him of anti-Semitism, that isn't why he's been suspended. He's being suspended for saying that while he accepts the findings of report (which was about complaints handling - not the prevalence of anti-Semitism in the party) he believes the scale of labour's anti-Semitism is blown out of proportion. Its an opinion many share but its an awful thing for a member of the party to say from a strategic standpoint, which is why Kier isn't having it.

Couple of points here.

Corbyn said the scale of the problem was exaggerated by opponents in the party and in the media. He was suspended.

On page 27 of the EHRC report, it states that article 10 of the convention “will protect Labour party members who … express their opinions on internal party matters, such as the scale of antisemitism within the party, based on their own experience”.

So, regardless of whether Corbyn was wise to make the statement or whether you agree with it or not, the very report itself would appear to endorse his right to voice that opinion. Personally, i'm not convinced the party is on a legally solid footing in taking the action it did.

biko wrote: »

https://electronicintifada.net/tags/labour-witch-hunt

https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/comment/2019/11/22/labours-anti-semitism-crisis-is-a-manufactured-scare-campaign

From the Electronic Intifada so you know it's not biased lol

Never heard of this publication before. It refers to "the party right" though as opposed to the far right, which is what the other poster mentioned.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

True, the irish times and the journal had a love in defending corbyn for all his ills

If it's true, can you provide an example of a media source claiming the antisemitism accusations were far right propaganda?

s1ippy wrote: »

Tbf saying that Corbyn is an anti semite and should be removed because some college students shout anti semitic slurs at a fresher is bananas and the guardian would want to cop on.

Ireland and Irish media defended Corbyn because he was supportive of our own attempts to regain control from the empire that held us. It's the same reason he denounces the unlawful occupation of Palestine, the death and bloodshed that comes with the land grab and the evil people who are responsible.

To claim that makes him antisemitic is disgusting. That would give one religion a free pass to do literally anything they wanted because if you criticise them you're anti Jewish.

Keir knows what side his
bread is buttered but unfortunately it shows him up as probably worse than the Tories, no integrity or backbone and in the pocket of evil global powers. He won't ingratiate himself with Labour's old guard and he certainly won't attract any young people.


I'm not an antisemite but I condemn the illegal occupation and land grab in the West Bank and the displacement and murder of the people there since the 50s.

100%

Over the years I’ve disagreed with British policy on and their occupation of Northern Ireland. I’m not anti British, or racist, I have British friends.

Disagreeing with somebody or something cannot make you racist or an anti-Semite . It’s seriously disingenuous to claim otherwise.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

He even had a forward in an antiSemitic book,

British labour needs to get back to tony blairs labour, Corbyns labour was toxic and completely unelectable

Is Labour then to just write off the working class then? They can hardly win an election without them.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/antisemitism-london-graffiti-hate-crime-corbyn-johnson-tories-a9264746.html

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2019/11/27/labours-jennie-formby-demolishes-anti-corbyn-propaganda-with-a-powerful-counterattack/

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/832828/george-galloway-claims-jeremy-corbyn-is-victim-of-goebbelian-propaganda-in-plea-to-rejoin-labour/

Thanks for that, but none of those articles claim the accusations are far right propaganda.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

He even had a forward in an antiSemitic book,

British labour needs to get back to tony blairs labour, Corbyns labour was toxic and completely unelectable

never going to happen.
as much as i liked tony blair, iraq asside, his brand of labour is finished and not coming back.
corbyn's labour would be perfectly electable if britain was a grown up country with responsible politics and a responsible media focused on reporting facts rather then pushing agendas that go against the people.

dispite all of it's moving forward and there being a number of sensible voices about the place, the political and media establishment, and a vocal minority including extreme nationalists and the alt right, will insure that anyone trying to improve things for the people and end the gravey train for the few will never be in power.