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JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    . The Nix movie has been enhanced and shows no one there too.

    Description of the image: Mary Ann Moorman captured this Polaroid image at the moment President John F. Kennedy was shot on Nov. 22, 1963.

    So it seems to be untouched photo an original


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    No, he wouldn't. How big the planks are is what matters. From the base to top what the height we know then?

    He could also be standing on something behind the fence to rise his position?

    He wouldn't need to. Its the same fence today, same size. The top is under my armpit, maybe lower so less than 5ft ish. A shooter there would've been clearly seen. And again, more importantly, heard. Immediately.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    He wouldn't need to. Its the same fence today, same size. The top is under my armpit, maybe lower so less than 5ft ish. A shooter there would've been clearly seen. And again, more importantly, heard. Immediately.

    There definitely an image there and not the picket fence. You can even see the top portion of the body is higher than the picket fence. The trees are in the background.

    The very same spot is where eyewitnesses placed the shooter and there is an image there that looks like a person.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Just highlight so people can see what we looking at.

    Red is the figure. The green is the top of the picket fence.

    466944.png


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal look where the image is standing draw a straight line to Kennedy limo. You see the bullet would line up perfectly (the line of sight is not off it matches up)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Unfortunately, this eyewitness can't speak but he saw two men in the grassy knoll. He saw the shooter who had a gun in his hand walk away he also claims he wore a hat. The image does show a person with a hat of some kind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,055 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Just highlight so people can see what we looking at.

    Red is the figure. The green is the top of the picket fence.

    466944.png

    Looks like shadows and light from the trees like the rest of that part of the image.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,065 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    JFK assasination was solved over 50 years ago, LHO did it on his own and then murdered a police officer in front of about half a dozen people. A peasant killed a king which is hard for people to believe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    JFK assasination was solved over 50 years ago, LHO did it on his own and then murdered a police officer in front of about half a dozen people. A peasant killed a king which is hard for people to believe.

    This was a new US government investigation in 1976
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations

    They heard new evidence and concluded there was a second shooter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Looks like shadows and light from the trees like the rest of that part of the image.

    That image just happens to match eyewitnesses accounts of a shooter with a hat :confused:

    You can believe it shadow and light if you like.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The images reveal Connelly was hit by a second bullet.

    He right wrist got shattered remember.


    Problem. You can see Kennedy has already felt the bullet pass through the throat. He starts to move his hands up.

    466966.png

    An average bullet travels at 2,500 feet per second (around 1,700 mph)

    The bullet would have already shattered Connelly wrist going at 1,700mph an hour.

    Connelly is adamant he looked back to see what is happening and was not hit by a bullet at this stage. This image support this. And if his right wrist just got hit by a bullet why is still clutching his hat in that hand?

    466967.png

    Connelly Testimony at Warren Commission.

    Mr. SPECTER. As the automobile turned left onto Elm from Houston, what did occur there, Governor?

    Governor CONNALLY. We had--we had gone, I guess, 150 feet, maybe 200 feet, I don't recall how far it was, heading down to get on the freeway, the Stemmons Freeway, to go out to the hall where we were going to have lunch and, as I say, the crowds had begun to thin, and we could--I was anticipating that we were going to be at the hall in approximately 5 minutes from the time we turned on Elm Street.

    We had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my rightshoulder,

    so I turned to look back over my right shoulder, and I saw nothing unusual except just people in the crowd, but I did not catch the President in the corner of my eye, and I was interested, because once I heard the shot in my own mind I identified it as a rifle shot, and I immediately--the only thought that crossed my mind was that this is an assassination attempt.
    So I looked, failing to see him, I was turning to look back over my left shoulder into the back seat, but I never got that far in my turn. I got about in the position I am in now facing you, looking a little bit to the left of center, and then I felt like someone had hit me in the back.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,065 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    This was a new US government investigation in 1976
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations

    They heard new evidence and concluded there was a second shooter.

    Ye I’m aware of it. They claimed there was a fourth shot which was later proved to come from an open mic from a motorcycle cop.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Ye I’m aware of it. They claimed there was a fourth shot which was later proved to come from an open mic from a motorcycle cop.

    The Zapruder images clearly show Connelly was not hit by the magic bullet. Connelly would have got hit in the same frame or after frame.

    226 frame Kennedy already lifting his arms to his throat.

    Connelly only turns to look over his right shoulder in frame 233.

    Did the magic bullet pause in the air and wait to hit Connelly?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    The Zapruder images clearly show Connelly was not hit by the magic bullet. Connelly would have got hit in the same frame or after frame.

    226 frame Kennedy already lifting his arms to his throat.

    Connelly only turns to look over his right shoulder in frame 233.

    Did the magic bullet pause in the air and wait to hit Connelly?

    Disagree.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,065 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    The Zapruder images clearly show Connelly was not hit by the magic bullet. Connelly would have got hit in the same frame or after frame.

    226 frame Kennedy already lifting his arms to his throat.

    Connelly only turns to look over his right shoulder in frame 233.

    Did the magic bullet pause in the air and wait to hit Connelly?

    Listen I’m not gonna get into it with you, the case is closed, there’s so much evidence against LHO he could be convicted 10 times over.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Listen I’m not gonna get into it with you, the case is closed, there’s so much evidence against LHO he could be convicted 10 times over.

    I never claimed Oswald was not a shooter. I said there were another shooter and evidence supports that.

    Oswald got killed by a well-known mobster Jack Ruby.

    Ruby claimed there was a conspiracy while in custody even said it on tape.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    ligerdub wrote: »
    Disagree.

    Not sure what you disagreeing with the Zapruder frames support John Connelly statement.

    He firmly believes a second bullet hit him not the magic bullet.

    He is right based on what you see in the Zapruder video frames.

    Do you think bullets just stop in the air and wait?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,065 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    I never claimed Oswald was not a shooter. I said there were another shooter and evidence supports that.

    Oswald got killed by a well-known mobster Jack Ruby.

    Ruby claimed there was a conspiracy while in custody even said it on tape.

    Why did Ruby kill Oswald?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Why did Ruby kill Oswald?

    Probably ordered to by the mob. The mob has ties with the CIA in the 1960s.

    They probably are both involved. It all about Cuba I believe. The FBI hated Kennedy so they likely in on as well covering up.

    Mob lost a fortune when Castro came to power. He closed down the Casinos and Hotels. The failure of the bay of pigs Kennedy was marked man for not supporting the invasion. It was invasion organised by the CIA.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    Do you think bullets just stop in the air and wait?

    He is right based on what you see in the Zapruder video frames.

    He firmly believes a second bullet hit him not the magic bullet.

    Not sure what you disagreeing with the Zapruder frames support John Connelly statement.


    They are clearly hit virtually simultaneously. The video shows this.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    ligerdub wrote: »
    They are clearly hit virtually simultaneously. The video shows this.

    False 226 frame is when Kennedy lifted his hands to his throat so that bullet had to have reached Connelly back in the same frame or frame 227.

    Connelly was only turning to look over his right shoulder in frame 233

    Connelly, said he looked over his right shoulder then we moved to return back he got hit that least another 4 frames ahead


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,348 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    This image I post in a minute could show the other shooter? Many Eyewitnesses are on video describing a shot coming from this very spot in the image. By the way, the Warren Commission never interviewed them and got their version of what happened.

    Some of those eyewitnesses ignored by the Warren Commission.




    The image isn't great it just brightened to remove the dark shadowing. Where i circled in red could be a man standing with a rifle in the air about to leave. It looks like he's wearing a police hat or worker hat of some kind. I could be wrong on this and seeing something in the image that not there?

    I spotted this in the image. The photo description doesn't say anything about what I am seeing!

    466939.png

    Kennedy was leaning to the left after the second shot. You can see it hit his head near the temple area just near the right ear. That in line with a right front shot. The bullet would likely shatter in the skull and not exit from the other side. You can see even in your own images there no blood splatter at the back of the head.

    This wouldnt be the 1st time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    This was a new US government investigation in 1976
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations

    They heard new evidence and concluded there was a second shooter.

    Which was completely debunked a short while later. Like 40 years ago. Even says so in the link you provided.
    Ruby claimed there was a conspiracy while in custody even said it on tape.

    No he didn't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Which was completely debunked a short while later. Like 40 years ago. Even says so in the link you provided.



    No he didn't.

    It was not debunked the FBI higher-ups cast doubt on the evidence but they were involved in the cover-up of 9/11 and JFK assassination so I would not believe them.

    Yes, Ruby did two times, he implicated the Vice President as a possible conspirator in the assassination.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Dallas County deputy sheriff, Maddox said on video Ruby handed him a note shortly before he died and it stated it was a conspiracy and his motive was to silence Oswald.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    It was not debunked the FBI higher-ups cast doubt on the evidence but they were involved in the cover-up of 9/11 and JFK assassination so I would not believe them.

    Nope, debunked by various independent analysis, as per the link you posted.

    Yes, Ruby did two times, he implicated the Vice President as a possible conspirator in the assassination.


    Like millions of people thought and still do. He never claimed to be part of a conspiracy. Right up until he died 5 years later. The clip you posted is an old chestnut rolled out and taken out of context.
    Just highlight so people can see what we looking at.

    Red is the figure. The green is the top of the picket fence.

    466944.png

    Are you suggesting an assassin wore a two foot wide hat?! Your shooter looks like hes either wearing a sombrero or looks like ET.

    Or maybe it was this guy.

    220px-Toad_3D_Land.png


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Nope, debunked by various independent analysis, as per the link you posted.



    Like millions of people thought and still do. He never claimed to be part of a conspiracy. Right up until he died 5 years later. The clip you posted is an old chestnut rolled out and taken out of context.



    Are you suggesting an assassin wore a two foot wide hat?! Your shooter looks like hes either wearing a sombrero or looks like ET.

    Or maybe it was this guy.

    220px-Toad_3D_Land.png

    Taken out of context? What is he talking about then Nal?. Are you just going to ignore the videos I posted? The Deputy Sheriff is lying when he says Ruby handed him a note confirming the conspiracy?

    You stretched the photograph. It looks like a worker hard hat to me ones used on building sites.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,400 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Taken out of context? What is he talking about then Nal?. Are you just going to ignore the videos I posted? The Deputy Sheriff is lying when he says Ruby handed him a note confirming the conspiracy?

    Well theres no evidence is there? Wheres the note? Did he throw it away?

    Also, he claims Ruby had Melvin Belli as an attorney at the time. Belli hadn't worked for Ruby for a few years by this point.

    You disbelieve fact a lot but believe a guy who was paid by Jim Marrs to say those things for the Crossfire book? Jim Marrs was bat**** crazy.

    Ruby is referring to the conspiracy against him, his family, Jewish people and so on. He never ever said that he was part of a conspiracy to kill JFK or Oswald. Quite the opposite.

    Interview below.



    "The ironic part of this is had not I made an illegal turn behind the bus to the parking lot, had I gone the way I was supposed to go straight down Main Street, I would have never met this fate because the difference in meeting this fate was 30 seconds one way or the other."

    As for the Ruby video thats always trotted out, Ruby believed there was a conspiracy and that he was possibly in danger. Of either getting the death sentence or being killed. He was bargaining there, as per his lawyers advice, to get the trial moved to Washington where he may have a fairer trial. But he always denied that he was a part of any conspiracy. He just believed that they had killed JFK so could kill him.

    Read about Ruby, read about his trial, read his interview with the Warren Commission and stop cherry picking interviews "with a guy who Jack Ruby passed a note to before he died".
    You stretched the photograph. It looks like a worker hard hat to me ones used on building sites.

    I didn't stretch it. I quoted your link directly from your post. Its your picture!! Post 35

    But its ridiculous to the point of being hilarious that in 2018 you zoom in on some low level picture and claim to see a gunman. Its the most investigated crime in history. 55 years. That picture, the Nix movie etc have been studied for millions of hours and no one can see a thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    The Nal wrote: »
    Well theres no evidence is there? Wheres the note? Did he throw it away?

    Also, he claims Ruby had Melvin Belli as an attorney at the time. Belli hadn't worked for Ruby for a few years by this point.

    You disbelieve fact a lot but believe a guy who was paid by Jim Marrs to say those things for the Crossfire book? Jim Marrs was bat**** crazy.

    Ruby is referring to the conspiracy against him, his family, Jewish people and so on. He never ever said that he was part of a conspiracy to kill JFK or Oswald. Quite the opposite.

    Interview below.



    "The ironic part of this is had not I made an illegal turn behind the bus to the parking lot, had I gone the way I was supposed to go straight down Main Street, I would have never met this fate because the difference in meeting this fate was 30 seconds one way or the other."

    As for the Ruby video thats always trotted out, Ruby believed there was a conspiracy and that he was possibly in danger. Of either getting the death sentence or being killed. He was bargaining there, as per his lawyers advice, to get the trial moved to Washington where he may have a fairer trial. But he always denied that he was a part of any conspiracy. He just believed that they had killed JFK so could kill him.

    Read about Ruby, read about his trial, read his interview with the Warren Commission and stop cherry picking interviews "with a guy who Jack Ruby passed a note to before he died".



    I didn't stretch it. I quoted your link directly from your post. Its your picture!! Post 35

    But its ridiculous to the point of being hilarious that in 2018 you zoom in on some low level picture and claim to see a gunman. Its the most investigated crime in history. 55 years. That picture, the Nix movie etc have been studied for millions of hours and no one can see a thing.

    Ruby later claimed his lawyer Tom Howard had told him to lie about his motives. That he did to spare Jackie testifying at Oswald trail

    Wrong Ruby say I come clean if you guys move me to Washington DC out of Dallas? If he did it alone what the problem? You don't need to come clean if there nobody else involved he could have done this in Dallas.

    Ruby said if there was another Vice President the assassination would not have happened. He said that on the video I provided.

    Ruby doesn't have to know Oswald. Hitmen often don't know their victims. Ruby had carried out killings in the past for the mob. Ruby is describing what he did that day on video so what?

    An original picture was taken on the day and shows a figure of a person behind the fence. Why is relevant many JFK eyewitnesses saw the shooter and he wore a hat and he was spotted in the same location.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Nal Jack Ruby statement is this

    Quote
    Everything pertaining to what's happening has never come to the surface. The world will never know the true facts, of what occurred, my motives. The people had , that had so much to gain and had such an ulterior motive for putting me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts come above board to the world.

    He claiming he was put in that position.

    Reporter : Are these people in very high positions Jack ??

    Jack : Yes.


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