BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network

lxflyer wrote: »

Unless there is time based ticketing with no penalty for taking a second trip, and the feeder routes are high frequency, then there is absolutely no point in doing g this.

Reform of funding and ticketing is absolutely critical. People will not be prepared to pay twice for a trip they can do on a single fare currently.

What meandering is there on the Lucan QBC?

Unless there is change then there will be no change? Obvously.:rolleyes: This is obviously a change to take into consideration a new fare structure should it arise!

You have an awful habit. Sometimes people post here with things like what I said above. It does not mean they are being posted in isolation of other required changes to make them work. It's a case of simplicity of posting. Surely you realise that? Or must every post on any PT subject include ALL solutions and variables?

There is no need to be so highly strung in response.

Meandering includes the likes of Foxborough for EVERY bus. Simple things like removing that diversion for EVERY bus through that part of Lucan would improve journey times no end on affected buses and allow people in Willsbrook to actually get a bus on time some mornings.

Just one example off the top of my head. Not to mention the Chapo sitch on the 66/67.

lxflyer wrote: »

Come on - it takes 5 minutes maximum more to go via Chapelizod during the day - and much of the time the buses reach the Quays at the same time. Also, it's hardly meandering as it is mainly in a straight line. Let's not go OTT about it.

At peak times the 66X and 67X operate to and from Leixlip, Celbridge and Maynooth along the Chapelizod bypass.

So you're saying it takes 5min max at rush hour in both directions to make that journey?

Or maybe at 11am? Whgen less traffic is about?

If there was that negligible difference why bypass Chapo at all?

lxflyer wrote: »

I do but it failed! It's hardly a good example of political interference stopping change.

I know it isn’t a good example per se, based on your metric. But it is a good example of political interference whipped up by politicians against DB rather than politicians being on DB’s side and trying to make transport better for all in their constituency! I worked in DL at the time and was keenly aware of the lengths that local councillors and TD’s went through to mess it up for votes.

The more recent shenanigans in Sallynoggin would be better as it resulted in an unholy mess inbound between the 7 and 7A.

An example of political interference is an example of political interference. It is not a pissing contest. The 7/7A sitch is a joke!!! Agreed!

On the other hand I also remember ideas such as restricting the 68 and 69 to Red Cow, remaining at low frequency, and local opposition making it clear that wasn't acceptable - no one could predict what time they needed to leave the city centre on a LUAS to get to Red Cow in time, and they would have to pay twice. Yet that was seen as a good idea!

Short workings and feeders only work with higher frequencies (:P) and that was rightly canned as you said. The 68 and 69 continue to be required as a service for Saggart and Rathcoole and as such should be left alone unless increased in frequency.

The 69 diversion through Inchicore should be dropped though. It’s mental to be on a bus as it swings into the Bulfin [sic] estate!

Another crazy idea was cutting the 11 in two and dropping half the route - again opposition from passengers and local politicans stopped that daft idea as the route has significant cross-city patronage.

Yup!

Public consultation is still important - it raises local issues that consultants cannot be aware of - the point is that the response needs to be appropriate.

I’m involved in public consultations professionally and they are very important. ESPECIALLY for local information.

However, it’s interference that is what kills Dublin’s PT!

Politician’s jobs’ should be to SELL these projects not to hinder them and as such they should be removed form affecting them outside of the normal use of their roles!

They don't always get it right, nor indeed do local activists.

Yup!

lxflyer wrote: »

I said off peak and against the flow.

At peak times the outer areas have Xpresso services using the Chapelizod bypass and most people going there use them - so the issue is minimised.

I think people are overstating the impact for that very reason.

I do think that four years' recent personal experience would count for something or do I consign that to the dustbin?

But against the flow is irrelevant when the bulk of journeys are made in the other direction and are the arguments that people on here are making about the routes through Chapo AT PEAK TIMES!

I've got 16 years experience living in Lucan [village and outerreaches] (with a few dalliances with apartment living in the city centre) as well as a childhood growing up in Ballyfermot. My experience is valid too mon frere.

lxflyer wrote: »

But again, most people from the outer areas use the Xpressos at peak times - the Chapelizod diversion on the standard routes becomes pretty much irrelevant at those times as the Xpressos go via the bypass.

You keep missing that point. The people using the bus at peak time in the morning through Chapelizod tend to be those actually going to/from points along that section.

People use the 66X/67X Xpressos because the standard routes are take too long. They're not using them because they're fast (they're not) they're using them because they're​ not as slow.

Proof of the pudding is that the 25X is virtually non existent in comparison as the 25a/b are direct.

lxflyer wrote: »

But that is the point of the 66x and 67x at peak times.

Yes, whereas if the standard routes were more direct like the 25a/b there'd be a lot less need for the Xpressos.