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Journey Around Dublin 1988

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  • 01-11-2020 1:48pm
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    imme
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    This is something I spotted on YouTube.

    There's a ghostly quality about it.


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    L1011
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    Burnt in captions and description say 1984; but the Stephens Green centre (opened for Christmas 88) is quite advanced in construction; but there's also basically no post-1987 type car regs anywhere that I could see. Might actually be 1987

    The huge expanses of nothing from Cornmarket on shows how recent the Corpos flattening of that bit of the city for road widening was.


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    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
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    1:16 Dublin Millennium stickers on the shop window.

    88?


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    Thelonious Monk
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    I doesn't actually look that different, in that part of town. Apart from some redeveloped buildings and St Stephen's Green not open yet. I remember when that opened.
    I think you'd really see the difference along the quays and on the northside, which looked like a war zone.


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    humberklog
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    Hunky Monster wrote: »
    1:16 Dublin Millennium stickers on the shop window.

    88?

    Quality shout Hunky Monster.

    Also a couple of seconds beforehand a blue E class Merc is coming up the road with a white reg plate so '87+.

    And white reg on the Escort turning at the Green and white reg on a Renault 5 (?) at 51 sec.


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    L1011
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    The logo was designed before 88, but it being used tilts it towards early 88.

    There's Dublin Bus branded buses which had already confirmed 87+ even though I never saw the 87+ plates.


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    imme
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    The Stephen's Green Shopping Centre opened on 08 November 1988.
    You can see the South King Street facade completed and all higher up scaffolding etc off the facade in the video.

    The logo may have been created in 1986 or 1987 but it wasn't much visible in everyday life as far as I can find.

    It did feature in an RTE news report at some stage in 1987

    https://www.rte.ie/archives/2017/1116/920531-dublin-millennium-launch/


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    miamee
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    This is a great find imme, I really enjoyed that. I work in that area of the city and it has been interesting to see the changes over the 10 or so years I've been there but this is really on a different scale.

    I was really enjoying the singing along to Elvis and the "Which way am I going now?" at every set of lights, lol.


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    irlirishkev
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    I live in the area at the end of the video, just missing out where our apartment block is now. probably warehouses or a hole in the ground at the time.

    Cornmarket and the area really has changed.

    Elvis on the radio is a bonus!


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    ongarboy
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    I like the little green area they had in front of Dublin Castle on Dame St adjacent City Hall. They should've left that as is instead of the gray, sterile concrete space and ugly building that's there now


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    If anyone hasn't already watched before, the late Eamonn Mac Thomais did a great series on Dublin in the late 70's.
    Amazing to see how the city has changed but parts are still recognisable today.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjqvIcFdfdo


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    doublejobbing 2
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
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    I think you'd really see the difference along the quays and on the northside, which looked like a war zone.


    I wonder is there any before and after comparisons of the IFSC to the Point area with what used to be there.

    Such a sterile souless place today.


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    Spanish Eyes
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    Thanks OP and thanks others for the links.

    My mother was born in Ship (Sheep) Street, and Dad in Charlemont Sreet. I am a bit OTT about the history of Dublin, but I am sure I will be forgiven for that.


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    Edgware
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    doublejobbing 2 wrote: »
    I wonder is there any before and after comparisons of the IFSC to the Point area with what used to be there.

    Such a sterile souless place today.
    Well before it became the "souless" place it is today you had firstly a big Customs Bonded Warehouse down to Guild St. then Sheriff St flats where all the undesirables were dumped by the Corpo then the Midland Rail Depot full of railway carriages where the aforementioned undesirables would rob. Beyond that a few more streets of warehouses. It was never the Garden of Eden and looking through any " Dublin in the rare oul times" glasses wont change that


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    ongarboy
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    doublejobbing 2 wrote: »
    I wonder is there any before and after comparisons of the IFSC to the Point area with what used to be there.

    Such a sterile souless place today.

    https://youtu.be/ffma_U4LrrA

    Here's one of the Docklands in 1988. As someone who has worked there for the last 20 years, I'm struggling to make out some of the areas in the clip as it has changed so dramatically. You'll get a sense of how bleak it was then.

    When I started in 2000, only the section from Connolly station to Citibank was completed. The NCI college and all the sections down to Guild Street were only built thereafter. A long high wall on Guild Street marked the end of it for years until about 2008/09 and beyond to the Point Depot(3 Arena) was just wasteland like the clip above. Gradually, Beckett bridge, the Convention centre, PWC, Spencer Dock and all the south quay offices (Sir John Rogersons Quay) got built in the late 00s/early 2010s and all the remaining sites gradually up to present day.


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    beauf
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    doublejobbing 2 wrote: »
    I wonder is there any before and after comparisons of the IFSC to the Point area with what used to be there.

    Such a sterile souless place today.

    It was mostly derelict. A friend had an office on East Wall road. 20ft walls around broken glass on the walls, barbed wires, bars and mess on the windows. having rocks thrown at the car was not unusual. A lot of empty buildings, but lots of empty space, wasteland. Would have been the perfect set for a War II movie.

    I would agree its a bit featureless now, no focal point. When they used to have events outside the point, or the xmas fairs inside the point village, it came alive a bit. But they've built on that space now with the Exo.

    But at least there's lots of people now and shops. Even 5-6yrs ago, it was ghost town outside business hours. You would be wary about walking around on your own, in the evenings.


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    Edgware
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    beauf wrote: »
    It was mostly derelict. A friend had an office on East Wall road. 20ft walls around broken glass on the walls, barbed wires, bars and mess on the windows. having rocks thrown at the car was not unusual. A lot of empty buildings, but lots of empty space, wasteland. Would have been the perfect set for a War II movie.

    I would agree its a bit featureless now, no focal point. When they used to have events outside the point, or the xmas fairs inside the point village, it came alive a bit. But they've built on that space now with the Exo.

    But at least there's lots of people now and shops. Even 5-6yrs ago, it was ghost town outside business hours. You would be wary about walking around on your own, in the evenings.

    I described it as it was in the 80s but I would agree that it can be souless now.
    I was in Canary Wharf in London late one Winters night. All I could see was empty office blocks and apartments lit up. Then out of the blue comes a DLR train like some ghost train. I dont know how you can bring a community feel back to these type areas


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    Thesiger
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    doublejobbing 2 wrote: »
    I wonder is there any before and after comparisons of the IFSC to the Point area with what used to be there.

    Such a sterile souless place today.

    Significant chunk was occupied by the old Sheriff St flats. You can see them here just before they were torn down - https://youtu.be/a0p8e1MUC0E


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    thenightman
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    Good shots of the docks and what is now the IFSC in this doc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBp6hAPUUSg

    I worked on Ormond Quay in the Ormond Multimedia Centre (now The Morrison) and then we moved up to Preston Street, a street off Amiens Street in the mid 90's. The first bits of the IFSC were completed but the area was still dog rough and very run down at that time. Big heroin problem on Buckingham Street/Sean Mac Dermott Street and loads of handbag snatches and snatch and grabs from cars at the lights in the evenings for loads I worked with. Office was also burgled repeatedly, until the boss in desperation was put in contact with a local 'community leader' (with a surname where you house rabbits) who visited the flats and methadone clinic and put the word out we were to be left alone or there would be trouble.

    I remember coming back from lunch one afternoon and seeing my boss wrestle a computer out of the hands of one of the lovely Felloni family members, who had apparently wandered into the building behind a courier and helped herself to the contents of handbags as well. Guards said there was no point doing anything like statements etc as she was dying from AIDS apparently. Was always an interesting area to work anyway!


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    ongarboy
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    I think when people still give out about Dublin, they should read the post above about how bad it really was then and how much safer and improved it is now despite its flaws.


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    sleepyman
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If anyone hasn't already watched before, the late Eamonn Mac Thomais did a great series on Dublin in the late 70's.
    Amazing to see how the city has changed but parts are still recognisable today.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjqvIcFdfdo

    It's a great series.The one where he's stroling around misery hill/Grand Canal highlights how desolate the place was prior to it's rejuvenation in the noughties.


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    ShyMets
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    sleepyman wrote: »
    It's a great series.The one where he's stroling around misery hill/Grand Canal highlights how desolate the place was prior to it's rejuvenation in the noughties.

    Its hugely enjoyable. He made a follow up series in the early 80's which is also excellent. Its a pity he wasnt on TV more but his Republican background/views meant that he was pretty much sidelined by RTE


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    I always love watching the clip of him outside Webbs on the Quays there as i remember it well from when my Da used bring me in to town on Sunday morning's to watch Hector Grey sell his wares at the Ha'penny Bridge.


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    delta_bravo
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    ShyMets wrote: »
    Its hugely enjoyable. He made a follow up series in the early 80's which is also excellent. Its a pity he wasnt on TV more but his Republican background/views meant that he was pretty much sidelined by RTE

    Yeah I enjoy these videos, it's amazing to see the contrast of change

    I definitely think there's a tendency to rose tint these times to now.

    All the neighbours knew each but loads were unemployed etc.

    The Ringsend one I found the most amazing. Some places completely unrecognisable but others still pretty much the same (still have narrow paths at the bridge!).


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    beauf
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    There were loads of no go areas. People forget that.


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