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Waterford Airport

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  • #122
    Marcusm
    Registered Users Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    Why not call it an investment rather than pie in the sky - and that's assuming your contention is right which it may not be.

    Is there any reason a Waterford hub facility for Dublin Aerospace (the company) couldn't wash it's face?

    It would have to be one hell of an investment; runway to take 73x and 32x aircraft, associated hanger and maintenance facilities plus then transfer all relevant staff. Would it compete with greenfield costs in other countries? If not then it could not work.


  • #123
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Well all I know is that Conor McCarthy of DA has a stake in the new development, and he is also non executive chairman at Stobart Group and Stobart Capital. Maybe he has something in mind.


  • #124
    ExoPolitic
    Registered Users Posts: 353 ✭✭ExoPolitic


    roadmaster wrote:
    I think i read in a article last year Dublin aerospace are looking to move some work out of dublin to another airport. With the runway extension could waterford be an option? I know hangers would have to be built but i am sure a grant for that could be found


    Mr McCarthy is one of the investors in this runway extension, who owns Dublin aerospace. Easy to add 1 and 1 together :)


  • #125
    RadioRetro
    Registered Users Posts: 2,090 ✭✭✭RadioRetro


    Waterford seem to be a bit put out by all the criticism over the €5m grant.


  • #126
    b757
    Registered Users Posts: 1,370 ✭✭✭b757


    https://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/projects/airport-runway-extension/index.htm

    Planning permission sought for 2287*45m plus associated lighting/drainage/works.


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  • #127
    Dum_Dum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Dum_Dum


    b757 wrote: »
    https://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/projects/airport-runway-extension/index.htm

    Planning permission sought for 2287*45m plus associated lighting/drainage/works.


    Decision was due today. Anyone know why it's been pushed back another 4 months?


  • #128
    mr.anonymous
    Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mr.anonymous


    b757 wrote: »
    https://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/projects/airport-runway-extension/index.htm

    Planning permission sought for 2287*45m plus associated lighting/drainage/works.

    That's a lot of runway for a small airport close to Cork?


  • #129
    Dum_Dum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Dum_Dum


    mr.anonymous wrote: »
    That's a lot of runway for a small airport close to Cork?




    We are talking about Waterford Airport here. Perhaps you must be talking about Shannon, which is closer to Cork Airport than Waterford is?


  • #130
    mr.anonymous
    Registered Users Posts: 481 ✭✭mr.anonymous


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    We are talking about Waterford Airport here. Perhaps you must be talking about Shannon, which is closer to Cork Airport than Waterford is?

    I was referring to Waterford but didn't realise SNN was closer to be honest.

    What has/had Waterford going for it that would justify such airport infrastructure, hardly the training flights?


  • #131
    Dum_Dum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Dum_Dum


    mr.anonymous wrote: »
    I was referring to Waterford but didn't realise SNN was closer to be honest.

    What has/had Waterford going for it that would justify such airport infrastructure, hardly the training flights?


    Absolutely nothing. Just like every other regional airport in the country. The regions they serve get access to mass aviation whereas the south-east doesn't. If you think that's fair, then OK. But let no one complain about sky-high dole figures in the region if investment is crippled because of poor access.


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  • #132
    EchoIndia
    Registered Users Posts: 2,804 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    We are talking about Waterford Airport here. Perhaps you must be talking about Shannon, which is closer to Cork Airport than Waterford is?


    In flying distance terms the two are virtually identical, at about 55 nautical miles from Cork Airport.


  • #133
    hurleronditch
    Registered Users Posts: 656 ✭✭✭hurleronditch


    Dum_Dum wrote: »
    Absolutely nothing. Just like every other regional airport in the country. The regions they serve get access to mass aviation whereas the south-east doesn't. If you think that's fair, then OK. But let no one complain about sky-high dole figures in the region if investment is crippled because of poor access.

    Waterford city centre is less than 2 hours drive from both cork and Dublin airports, one a moderate regional city hub with reasonable business routes to London and other European hubs and a decent shkelp of holiday routes. Dublin is connected directly to almost everywhere you’d want to go in the northern hemisphere bar some parts of Asia.

    In European terms, Waterford is already well connected for air with access to ORK and DUB, a scattering of random flights to Luton or Leeds Bradford or wherever plus a few bucket and spade routes is probably the best case scenario for there and is that really worth the investment?

    From a government perspective spending money on bypasses for dungarvan, castle martyr and a bunch of other towns on the cork Waterford road, plus getting rid of the midleton roundabout (or else just putting a full motorway in) would be fair better investment and make Waterford to Cork less than an hour drive, which would be to the full regions benefit.


  • #134
    Dum_Dum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 587 ✭✭✭Dum_Dum


    hurleronditch wrote: »
    Waterford city centre is less than 2 hours drive from both cork and Dublin airports, one a moderate regional city hub with reasonable business routes to London and other European hubs and a decent shkelp of holiday routes. Dublin is connected directly to almost everywhere you’d want to go in the northern hemisphere bar some parts of Asia.

    In European terms, Waterford is already well connected for air with access to ORK and DUB, a scattering of random flights to Luton or Leeds Bradford or wherever plus a few bucket and spade routes is probably the best case scenario for there and is that really worth the investment?

    From a government perspective spending money on bypasses for dungarvan, castle martyr and a bunch of other towns on the cork Waterford road, plus getting rid of the midleton roundabout (or else just putting a full motorway in) would be fair better investment and make Waterford to Cork less than an hour drive, which would be to the full regions benefit.


    Yes, thank you for all that. Now let go. It's all been done to death.


    Anyway, the question remains - what's the reason for the delay in the planning decision?


  • #135
    ExoPolitic
    Registered Users Posts: 353 ✭✭ExoPolitic


    hurleronditch wrote:
    From a government perspective spending money on bypasses for dungarvan, castle martyr and a bunch of other towns on the cork Waterford road, plus getting rid of the midleton roundabout (or else just putting a full motorway in) would be fair better investment and make Waterford to Cork less than an hour drive, which would be to the full regions benefit.

    hurleronditch wrote:
    In European terms, Waterford is already well connected for air with access to ORK and DUB, a scattering of random flights to Luton or Leeds Bradford or wherever plus a few bucket and spade routes is probably the best case scenario for there and is that really worth the investment?

    hurleronditch wrote:
    Waterford city centre is less than 2 hours drive from both cork and Dublin airports, one a moderate regional city hub with reasonable business routes to London and other European hubs and a decent shkelp of holiday routes. Dublin is connected directly to almost everywhere you’d want to go in the northern hemisphere bar some parts of Asia.


    And despite all of the above, Waterford used to thrive... Until it didn't keep pace with the times and increase the length of the runway.


  • #136
    Gaoth Laidir
    Registered Users Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    There's so much to be said for the hassle-free process passing through a regional airport like Waterford instead of the queues and endless walk in Dublin, and that after driving a couple of hours to get there in the first place.


  • #137
    ExoPolitic
    Registered Users Posts: 353 ✭✭ExoPolitic


    Gaoth Laidir wrote:
    There's so much to be said for the hassle-free process passing through a regional airport like Waterford instead of the queues and endless walk in Dublin, and that after driving a couple of hours to get there in the first place.


    Exactly, I always try to travel through smaller airports if I can 😊


  • #138
    HTCOne
    Registered Users Posts: 869 ✭✭✭HTCOne


    ExoPolitic wrote: »
    Exactly, I always try to travel through smaller airports if I can 😊

    I'd be the same if there's a direct route from my local airport (Shannon), but if there isn't from Shannon but there is from Dublin I'll make the drive rather than risk a connection and losing my bags or being delayed and missing said connection. Horses for courses.

    Realistically there's only probably going to be flights to one or two of the big euro hubs and a bucket and spade route or 2, but a flight to LHR or CDG could make the difference in attracting foreign investment to the region. The airport itself might not be commercially successful but if it drives local businesses and leads to the opening of new factories / call centers etc then from the exchequer point of view it could be worth it. Best of luck to them.


  • #139
    Fox Uniform
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭Fox Uniform


    Hopefully this will give it an additional boost

    https://www.built-environment-networking.com/blog/2020/11/13/falcon-real-estate-waterford/


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