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21-02-2020, 20:16   #466
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Stupid question time

Can drivers swap cars? Say Hamiltons Merc craps the bed on the formation lap, can he then just jump into Bottas'? Say for instance if he was in a close title race late in the season and Bottas wasn't
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21-02-2020, 20:19   #467
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You're entitled to your opinion of course, but I completely disagree and think the team are within the rules. If they're not then I assume they'll be investigated and punished accordingly. Anyway, there's no guarantee the risk will pay off, we need to wait and see how the competitive order stacks up in Melbourne.

Also, what team orders are you referring to? Lost me on that one
He's talking about the Racing Point car being a copy of the Merc, not the Merc steering system.
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21-02-2020, 20:21   #468
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He's talking about the Racing Point car being a copy of the Merc, not the Merc steering system.
I know, I wasn't talking about the steering system on the Merc either
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21-02-2020, 20:31   #469
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Face like an arse - this is the same team who admitted taking "team orders" from Mercedes. No transfer of knowledge me arse - too many details are the same. That car IS a W10 with a different paintjob.

If there ever was a more valid car for letting teams sell customer cars, this is it: they're going to do it anyway...
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Also, what team orders are you referring to? Lost me on that one
I would also like to know.
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“Looking at the delta pace and eventually what we may assess in terms of fuel load, which you never know in terms of engine modes, etc – looking at the picture relative to ourselves, I think we are not as fast as they are,” Binotto told reporters at a media session in Barcelona.

“I’m not as optimistic as last year. The others are faster than us at the moment I believe.

“How much faster I think it’s really difficult to judge.

“We will go through all the data in the next days. But I don’t think we are as fast as them at the moment.

“Do we have any concerns? Certainly yes, when you are not as fast as you would like to be. But I think it’s really too early stage to define them and to understand.

“So these three days for us have been very important because at least we have collected all the data now to have a clear picture and better understanding. What will be even more important is to make sure that we are developing the car in the right direction.

“Having said that, it’s a very long season, 22 races potentially, so I think there will be time as well to recover eventually.

“But let’s wait for next week and let’s wait for Australia before to assess what’s the true performance of everybody.”
Already a bit gloomy from Ferrari.
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21-02-2020, 21:22   #471
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21-02-2020, 21:23   #472
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Quizzed about whether team orders were in effect, Ocon said: “I’m a Mercedes driver, you should ask the boss.

Asked if there was an ‘unwritten rule’ that Mercedes-powered Force India were not to make things difficult for the Silver Arrows, Ocon answered: “Maybe.”

Belgian newspaper La Dernière Heure then got confirmation from Mercedes boss Toto Wolff that Ocon had been ordered to move aside.

“Yes, because that’s the way it is,” Wolff simply said.
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I would also like to know.
Couple of situations in 2018 they let Mercedes pass for position (usually as a result of differing strategies) with admission from both parties it was "team orders". Usually involving Ocon.

As for the car - guys, they are carbon copies; I know people in here love Racing Point for their Jordan roots, but the team ain't Jordan anymore. Let's be honest - an hard drive with the CATIA/Solidworks/whatever files made its way to them at some point last year. Even tiny details are identical to the square millimeter.

It doesn't mean it's going to perform the same - team expertise and budget are massive differentiators, we see this in lower formulae and Indycar where, even with everyone having the same materials, the bigger/richer/more organized teams almost always find their way to the front. But it IS a slap in the face of all other midfield teams who more or less develop their own cars. They can claim "convergent designs" all they want.
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What are the lap times like versus last year?
It's all well and good turning up with a 1 year old mercedes design but would mercedes be anywhere near the front today if they arrived with the car they were using early last year?
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21-02-2020, 21:42   #475
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They are using the 2019 Mercedes gearbox so makes sense for them to use the 2019 Mercedes chassis too
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21-02-2020, 21:47   #476
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Stupid question time

Can drivers swap cars? Say Hamiltons Merc craps the bed on the formation lap, can he then just jump into Bottas'? Say for instance if he was in a close title race late in the season and Bottas wasn't
Years ago teams had three cars at a race weekend and one was a spare which was set up for one of the two drivers. Nowadays I honestly don't know. I don't know if there's a rule prohibiting it from happening but I can't see your example ever happening.
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The driver which starts qualifying in the car is the only driver that can complete the race in that car. There was a situation around 2018 where one driver was injured during qualifying and Williams (I think) weren't allowed to run another driver as Massa had participated in Q1 so they just had one car in the race.
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21-02-2020, 21:58   #478
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Stupid question time

Can drivers swap cars? Say Hamiltons Merc craps the bed on the formation lap, can he then just jump into Bottas'? Say for instance if he was in a close title race late in the season and Bottas wasn't
As far as I know they can't and even if they were allowed they might not fit in their team mates car or like the way their teammates car is setup.
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Here’s an article from a different source about the same race saying something different

https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/29/...y-force-india/
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Before quali they can. Di resta stepped in a half hour before quali not so long ago.
The cars can be setup to suit other driver in a short time.
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