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The Impossible Burger 2.0

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    #392
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Xcellor wrote: »
    Doesn't seem to be any GMO in the burgers. The yeast that is GMO creates a protein which is naturally occuring and it available in other plants just in less quantity. The yeast itself is not an ingredient in the burgers.Also genetic engineering has many routine applications

    The impossible burgers are now made with GMO soy protein / meal. This is the main ingredient of the burger

    The soy leghemoglobin (SLH) used in the burgers to mimic meat and produced from the GM yeast is a protein that's never before been in the human food supply and in itself remains an area of contention.

    Other issues include:
    For vegetarians and those that eat a normal mixed diet gmo plants may lead to more people being exposed to genetically engineered ingredients whether they wish to consume such foods or otherwise.

    On an environmental level it has been promoted that new herbicide-tolerant GM crops require less herbicides. However this is not the case. The use of Roundup and other herbicides on genetically modified crops has increased by tens of millions of pounds compared to non-GM conventional agriculture.

    That's just a small part of the debate. Best do some research tbh.


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    #393
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,082 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Just had one of these in the US, it was amazing. Delicious. Had it at bareburger. They are going to be in all burger Kings there now.

    mBiyNEwl.jpg


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    #394
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    I find the thing of burgers strange, as if they are the standard meat is judged off. Fair enough you can get nice burgers in places where they are freshly prepared but a lot of the time it is more to do with what is served with or on them.
    Its cuts of meat such as steak etc. is a better judgement of quality of meat, McDonald's burger king etc are all just fast food, not exactly what one would call fine dining.


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    #395
    Xcellor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Xcellor


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5813221/

    Link to the study on whether this protein is safe for human consumption. Interesting is this

    "Dietary exposure to plant Hbs is also common. Sprouted barley, widely used in the beverage industry (malted barley) and in the bakingindustry (malted barley flour), has been shown to express Hb 2–3 days after imbibition.[3] In legumes, four major leghemoglobin (LegHb) isoproteins are generally found in root nodules, where atmospheric N2 is reduced to ammonia and assimilated in exchange for photosynthetically produced sugars.[4,5] LegHb is structurally similar to the widely consumed mammalian myoglobins"

    So humans have had this protein in their diet in the past. Also the animal form which is eaten all the time

    "LegHb is structurally similar to the widely consumed mammalian myoglobins.[6] They share an identical heme cofactor (heme B), which binds oxygen with high affinity. These mammalian myoglobins share a common history of safe use in foods."

    So I'm not sure the concern over the safety of this ingredient is merited.


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    #396
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Mooooo wrote: »
    I find the thing of burgers strange, as if they are the standard meat is judged off. Fair enough you can get nice burgers in places where they are freshly prepared but a lot of the time it is more to do with what is served with or on them.
    Its cuts of meat such as steak etc. is a better judgement of quality of meat, McDonald's burger king etc are all just fast food, not exactly what one would call fine dining.

    I'd agree tbh. And whatever these fake 'burgers' are - they are not 'whole foods' for sure. Pure processed junk imo. Yeah and I know some people like junk food but I dont get this endless promotion of this s*****


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    #397
    _Brian
    Registered Users Posts: 18,475 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Mooooo wrote: »
    I find the thing of burgers strange, as if they are the standard meat is judged off. Fair enough you can get nice burgers in places where they are freshly prepared but a lot of the time it is more to do with what is served with or on them.
    Its cuts of meat such as steak etc. is a better judgement of quality of meat, McDonald's burger king etc are all just fast food, not exactly what one would call fine dining.

    Yep.
    Imagine how many millions were spent trying to replicate a 3rd rate overprocessed food ?


    Truth is this is abkut business and money, these investors see an opportunity and are going all out to capitalise on it.


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    #398
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    Just had one of these in the US, it was amazing. Delicious. Had it at bareburger. They are going to be in all burger Kings there now.

    https://i.imgur.com/mBiyNEwl.jpg

    Seriously any need for the overt food porn? :p


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    #399
    Xcellor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Xcellor


    Tar.Aldarion wrote: »
    Just had one of these in the US, it was amazing. Delicious. Had it at bareburger. They are going to be in all burger Kings there now.




    I got the same in bareburger and had to ask twice were they sure I was given the right burger...

    My wife got the beyond burger. While also very nice the impossible burger is indistinguishable, texture, flavour SPOT on ...


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    #400
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Looks like not all reviews are in agreement for the 2.0 version.

    But I do wonder how many of the gushing reviews so far are really independent and not from vested interests?

    Goodhousekeeping.com (which cites editorial independence and flags sponsored content etc)
    The first is that (the Impossible burger) contains way less protein — 19 grams versus 28 grams — which may make it less filling..."The bigger downside of the Impossible Burger is that it’s also 2 grams higher in saturated fat, likely because of the coconut oil that's added," she adds. "Coconut oil contains the highest saturated fat content of any plant-based oil, despite its super 'health halo.'"

    The Impossible Burger also contains a lot more sodium — about 15% of your recommended value, compared to just 4% in plain beef...

    If you love burgers and you’re opting in on the Impossible Burger because 'plant-based' seems like the healthier alternative, I’d rather you go with the regular burger and enjoy every bite," 
    "It’s not a universally better choice, no matter what the buzzword is that’s attached to the name," says Jaclyn London, MS, RD, CDN, Nutrition Director at the Good Housekeeping Institute. "Plant-based protein that’s used to create something new — and therefore highly processed — is susceptible to being loaded with sodium and saturated fat."

    The review details how with regard to the actual taste etc - the reviewer couldn't detect much of a difference and concluded that cutting back on processed foods etc may be a better idea overall...


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    #401
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,101 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Here we go, eggs without chickens.... https://www.clarafoods.com


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    my3cents
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,764 ✭✭✭my3cents


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Here we go, eggs without chickens.... https://www.clarafoods.com

    And your point of view is?

    Really looks like you are just dumping something anti farming in the Farming & Forestry forum to see what the reaction is without actually bothering to comment on it yourself.


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    #403
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,101 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    my3cents wrote: »
    And your point of view is?

    Really looks like you are just dumping something anti farming in the Farming & Forestry forum to see what the reaction is without actually bothering to comment on it yourself.

    Point is it's all going a little crazy.

    Stick the thread over in the food or science form if farmers have no interest in something that directly effects them.


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    #404
    Xcellor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Xcellor


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Point is it's all going a little crazy.

    Stick the thread over in the food or science form if farmers have no interest in something that directly effects them.

    I don't think it's crazy it's realizing that the population can't continue to grow with the same demands on animal products for protein/calories.

    Plant based protein needs to become a bigger part of peoples diet. Most people can't eat a dinner without a piece of meat on their plate or cereal with milk in. This needs to change in my opinion.


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    #405
    emaherx
    Registered Users Posts: 5,959 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Xcellor wrote: »
    I don't think it's crazy it's realizing that the population can't continue to grow with the same demands on animal products for protein/calories.

    Plant based protein needs to become a bigger part of peoples diet. Most people can't eat a dinner without a piece of meat on their plate or cereal with milk in. This needs to change in my opinion.

    And how would replacing meat/dairy with over processed junk food substitutes help either people's diets or the environment?


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    #406
    SirGerryAdams
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 499 ✭✭SirGerryAdams


    These burgers may taste like meat but you have to think of the people impact by not buying meat.

    Rural Ireland would be further decimated, farmers out of jobs and on the dole. Increase in taxes to pay for it.

    The final nail in rural Ireland which is such a strong part of Irelands identity.

    **** the planet, stop using airplanes and restrict childbirth if you care so much about it.

    People are so concerned about people on the earth in 200 years time and don't give a **** about the people on it now.


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    #407
    Xcellor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Xcellor


    emaherx wrote: »
    And how would replacing meat/dairy with over processed junk food substitutes help either people's diets or the environment?

    Plant proteins don't have to be ultra processed, you can create a veggie burger without needing help from impossible burger. The mindset in the western world is a meal is incomplete without meat which is wrong.


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    #408
    emaherx
    Registered Users Posts: 5,959 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Xcellor wrote: »
    Plant proteins don't have to be ultra processed, you can create a veggie burger without needing help from impossible burger. The mindset in the western world is a meal is incomplete without meat which is wrong.

    Yes indeed, not every meal needs meat/ dairy but this thread is about the impossible burger and it is ultra processed as are many meat/ dairy alternatives.

    Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with a good veggie burger, but when the food industry tries to make a taste analog of animal products it is always going to lead to a over processed less healthy and often less environmentally friendly alternative.


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    #409
    Xcellor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,794 ✭✭✭Xcellor


    emaherx wrote: »
    Yes indeed, not every meal needs meat/ dairy but this thread is about the impossible burger and it is ultra processed as are many meat/ dairy alternatives.

    Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with a good veggie burger, but when the food industry tries to make a taste analog of animal products it is always going to lead to a over processed less healthy and often less environmentally friendly alternative.

    Yep plant based does not mean healthy. I am sure there are people out there who will embrace these burgers and think because they are made of plants they are good for you which is mad but in the same way western society has a taste for processed animal junk there is a place for processed plant. Junk food is junk food. I'm not so sure it's less environmentally friendly though. The animal food production chains are long established and have had time to introduce efficiencies. These newer chains are still sorting out production/storage/distribution/reselling etc .


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