Stallions

JimDeChamp wrote: »

First off both the giant and Henry were by American sires, so it was always on the cards that they would be American sires...!
Secondly Ashford already have, uncle mo and cape blanco to stand next year so the chances of 3 new stallions standing in Ashford are slim and none...
Third thing is so you think hasn't got the American pedigree that Henry or the giant have, so its extremely hard to market him to the american market and with high chap going down the national hunt stallion road personally I can see so you think going the same way.. Plus he has that ungenuine look about him in his races too...!

Fair enough points about his not having an American pedigree and Coolmore USA not having room for him this year, O'Brien did say he would staying in training next year. It's possible that even if he won the Classic he would take in the big early season 2012 flat races and still head down to AUS to cover his first season. That would leave him free to take up the option of either Coolmore USA or Ireland the following Northern Hemishere breeding season.

You're taking the pee when you suggest High Chaparral is heading down the NH route, his stock has never been higher and he's an absolute legend in Aus. As for So You Think not looking genuine in his races, he has never looked ungenuine in his races, always put's in his best effort and is ultra-consistent. He may not be the superhorse the Australians think he is but he's as tough and genuine as they come. A very high profile stud career awaits him in AUS where he will any have amount of their best mares queing up for his services. He,s not such a good fit in Coolmore Ireland and if he was relying on the Irish stud alone he could very well slip down the ranks to NH status if he doesn't deliver the goods. The AUS connection will see him alright .

Coolmore Stud fees 2012

Alfred Nobel €4,000 (down €1,000)

Aussie Rules €5,000 (down €1,000)

Canford Cliffs €17,500 (new)

Danehill Dancer €60,000 (down €15,000)

Duke Of Marmalade €20,000 (down €5,000)

Dylan Thomas €12,500 (down €5,000)

Excellent Art €10,000 (no change)

Fastnet Rock Private (from €30,000)

Footstepsinthesand €10,000 (no change)

Galileo Private (no change)

High Chaparral €25,000 (no change)

Holy Roman Emperor €12,500 (up €2,500)

Hurricane Run €12,500 (down €2,500)

Mastercarftsman €15,000 (€2,500)

Montjeu Private (from €75,000)

Peintre Celebre €12,500 (down €2,500)

Pour Moi €20,000 (new)

Rip Van Winkle €17,500 (€2,500)

Rock Of Gibraltar €17,500 (no change)

Starspangledbanner €10,000 (down €5,000)

Strategic Prince €6,000 (up €2,000)

Thewayyouare €5,000 (down €1,000)

Yeats €9,000 (no change)

Zoffany €7,500 (new)

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Dalham Hall Stud

Dubawi £75,000 (up £20,000)

Exceed And Excel £22,500 (up £10,500)

New Approach £22,500 (no change)

Poet's Voice £12,000 (new)

Authorized £10,000 (down £5,000)

Halling £10,000 (no change)

Shirocco £7,000 (down £3,000)

Kheleyf £4,000 (no change)

Kildangan Stud

Shamardal €50,000 (no change)

Cape Cross €35,000 (no change)

Teofilo €25,000 (up €10,000)

Raven's Pass €22,500 (no change)

Iffraaj €10,000 (down €5,000)

Manduro €10,000 (down €5,000)

Vale Of York €5,000 (no change)

Echo Of LIght €3,000 (no change)


Haras du Logis

King's Best €12,000 (down €3,000)

Slickly €7,000 (no change)

Refuse To Bend €5,000 (from £4,500)

Alexandros €4,000 (no change)

Country Reel €4,000 (no change)

Creachadoir €3,000 (no change)

The Royal Studs, Norfolk

Royal Applause £9,000 (no change)

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Rathbarry Stud fees 2012

Acclamation €35,000

Lilbourne Lad €7,500

Moss Vale €4,000

Tagula €4,000

Dubai Destination €2,500

Presenting €12,000

Robin Des Champs €5,000

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Juddmonte Farms Stud fees 2012

Dansili £75,000 was £65,000

Champs Elysees £7,500 was £10,000

Oasis Dream £85,000

Zamindar £10,000 was £12,000

Beat Hollow £5,000

Observatory £5,000

Three Valleys £5,000

Rail Link £6,000 was £7,000

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Cheveley Park Stud fees

Dutch Art £12,000 was £5,000

Medicean £8,000 was £12,000

Pivotal £45,000 was £55,000

Kyllachy £10,000 was £8,000

Virtual £4,000

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Is Dubawi a £75,000 Stallion when you consider Montjeu was €75,000 last year and Pivotal is £45,000 while Shamardal is £50,000. Dansili at £75,000 is surely a much better Stallion than Dubawi.

Pour Moi at €20,000 is set at a nice price that should give him a chance to prove himself..

UrbanSea wrote: »

Thanks for that tryfix,I was looking at Coolmore's site the last few days and saw they had the new stallions listed,but no prices.

Didn't realise Zoffany was standing next year.

What fee could Fastnet Rock have gone to? Am I correct in thinking he had an excellent year down south?

Fastnet Rock was standing at €30,000 this year according to the racing post, a private fee would indicate a fee of €75,000 plus. He might be worth that in Australia but he doesn't have the European track record to justify that kind of a fee. He has had 7 individual Gp1 winners so far in his stud career, at 10years old I don't know how many crops he's had on the track at a guess I'd say this years 2yo crop would be his fourth crop, Australian success doesn't always translate into European success. At a private fee he'd want to be nearly as good as his sire Danehill.

Zoffany is a nice type and I think he has what it takes to be a successful sire. I'd rather take a chance on him at €7,500 than Mastercraftsman at €15,000.

UrbanSea wrote: »

As would I.
Not surprised to see Dylan Thomas down. I really did not like his 2 year olds this year.

I think you'd need to be barking mad to go to Canford Cliffs at 17.5k. I'd rather Rip at the same money,or Holy Roman for less. Danehill Dancer represents value there.


I really can't see who would want to pay 65k sterling for Dubawi. That is absolutely ludacris. I'd have Dansili above him any day of the week.

King's Best at 12k isn't bad either

It's £75,000 for Dubawi, just can't see the logic in that price. His sons wouldn't exactly be red hot sire material either while a nice Dansili for the same money would be very attractive commercially.
Agree with you about Canford Cliffs, I like the horse but there are a lot of proven sires with better pedigrees standing for cheaper.

Roderick O'Connor to stand at Ballyhane stud, no details on his stud fee yet.

UrbanSea wrote: »

He basically put Galileo on the big time list. He couldn't afford other Coolmore stallions so used him instead. New Approach and Teofilo have been two of his best colts and Teofilo has made a very nice start at stud.

That wouldnt exactly be Jim's version now though.

He did try the same thing before in the 90s - block booking his mares to an unproven first season sire, Last Tycoon, based on a hunch. He put all his eggs in the one basket, it was a disaster and nearly broke him at the time.

The Last Tycoon thing - he basically just took a view and backed his judgment, and was proven wrong.

I dont know Las Tycoon's breeding but I do remember him on the track - 6F specialist until he moved up to take the Breeders Cup mile. Very similar racing profile to Royal Academy who (from memory now so open to correction) came one or two seasons before him and would have been fashionable when LT retired.

Edit - actually, he retired in 86 so came before Royal Academy (bored so looked it up)

Officially he wil only have 1 two yr old in 2012 in the northern hemisphere which wil screw him for the fact that he could not be a leading first season sire...!