EU Lead Ammunition Ban

Zxthinger · 08-04-2021 6:20pm

useurowname wrote: »

I believe that cats should be licensed and minded and spayed properly as are dogs.
It is sad seeing badly nourished stray cats in towns . It’s not right, not for the animals in particular they’ve hard lives. Time was they were useful for their ability to eradicate rodents in towns and yards but those days are gone with rentokill.

They are still one of the best ways to keep rats at bay..

badaj0z · 08-04-2021 7:46pm

tudderone wrote: »

100%. I spend my own money buying bird seed, suet balls, nyjer seed etc to feed the song birds in the garden, love seeing them. Woman next door rescues every moggie in a 5 mile radius and lets them loose around the place. The cats are always scaling the tree trying to get the birds. Boils my whizz i can tell you :mad:

buy an airsoft. Very satisfying.

useurowname · 08-04-2021 8:27pm

badaj0z wrote: »

buy an airsoft. Very satisfying.

That’s what we’ll be using in 2023 for pheasants the way things are going . A lot cheaper than steel, and nearly as effective by all accounts .

tudderone · 08-04-2021 8:48pm

useurowname wrote: »

That’s what we’ll be using in 2023 for pheasants the way things are going . A lot cheaper than steel, and nearly as effective by all accounts .

So long as the BB's are made from certified recycled plastic, to eu spec's.

useurowname · 08-04-2021 9:32pm

tudderone wrote: »

So long as the BB's are made from certified recycled plastic, to eu spec's.

Absolutely

Grizzly 45 · 08-04-2021 11:51pm

Airsoft will be gone by then too.We'll be back to pointing hurleys and broomsticks at birds flying overhead and yelling BANG!! at them.:rolleyes:

pm. · 09-04-2021 9:17am

After reading most of this thread I'm actually sickened by these actions from the EU. I love shooting would go out to hunt fox's about 20/30 times a year, rough shoot 10/12 times a year and I reckon most shooters would be in or around the same.

The amount of ammo fired is minimal some days out you wouldn't even see a bird. Im a member of the Midlands range and would go once a week from Sept right through to April. With these new laws inevitable I am really considering hanging up my boots ( guns)

I have invested so much money and time into this sport I love over the years and its just going to be pulled from us.

The simple fact is steel won't work for shotguns, we will see an abundance of lame wildlife as it simply hasn't the power or density of lead. As for rifles anyone who shoots a rifle will tell you how sensitive a rifle can be with a slight change in lead rounds imagine changing the alloy FFS....

useurowname · 09-04-2021 9:49am

Yes
I’ve watched a lot of the field sports videos on steel lately, and it looks muck. One particular video where a gamekeeper went duck flighting with steel, boys it was a poor show. Although the duck were practically landing on top of him he did more wounding than anything, had to go back out after with a lamp to find pricked birds(I say pricked but I wouldn’t even count on it)Yet he still said that they were as effective as lead..Yeah right !!

Grizzly 45 · 09-04-2021 1:20pm

pm. wrote: »

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Dont go quietly into the night.The more of us that rage against this and keep it up long enough,even if it is implimented it will have to be reconsidered.if Norway could turn this around,why couldnt the entire shooting pouplation of the EU Reich?

Asus1 · 09-04-2021 2:01pm

useurowname wrote: »

Yes
I’ve watched a lot of the field sports videos on steel lately, and it looks muck. One particular video where a gamekeeper went duck flighting with steel, boys it was a poor show. Although the duck were practically landing on top of him he did more wounding than anything, had to go back out after with a lamp to find pricked birds(I say pricked but I wouldn’t even count on it)Yet he still said that they were as effective as lead..Yeah right !!

Field sports Britain and TGS on YouTube are full paid up members of steel shot and really don't do hard questions on why lead was banned.But if you look they are firmly in the commercial shoots corner.Still think both channels are great though.

tudderone · 09-04-2021 3:50pm

useurowname wrote: »

Yes
I’ve watched a lot of the field sports videos on steel lately, and it looks muck. One particular video where a gamekeeper went duck flighting with steel, boys it was a poor show. Although the duck were practically landing on top of him he did more wounding than anything, had to go back out after with a lamp to find pricked birds(I say pricked but I wouldn’t even count on it)Yet he still said that they were as effective as lead..Yeah right !!

You can use tungsten, which is very good, can drop birds at further distances than lead shot, but costs 3-4 euro a bang ! A days pigeon decoying (not that we'll be doing that much longer with the eu) would cost you thousands :mad:

BattleCorp · 09-04-2021 5:58pm

tudderone wrote: »

You can use tungsten, which is very good, can drop birds at further distances than lead shot, but costs 3-4 euro a bang ! A days pigeon decoying (not that we'll be doing that much longer with the eu) would cost you thousands :mad:

Maybe Tungsten not so environmentally friendly after all.

Some forms of tungsten can move readily though soil and groundwater under certain environmental conditions. Both the U.S. Department of Defense and the Environmental Protection Agency now classify the element as an "emerging contaminant" of concern.

Although scientists think that tungsten seems much less toxic than lead or mercury, they do not know its exact health and environmental effects, the article notes. Scientists have shown that exposure to tungsten can stunt the growth of plants, cause reproductive problems in earthworms, and trigger premature death in certain aquatic animals. Source: https://phys.org/news/2009-01-health-environmental-tungsten.html

Below is a fact sheet that doesn't exactly sing the praises of tungsten.

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2014-03/documents/ffrrofactsheet_contaminant_tungsten_january2014_final.pdf

Zxthinger · 09-04-2021 5:59pm

tudderone wrote: »

You can use tungsten, which is very good, can drop birds at further distances than lead shot, but costs 3-4 euro a bang ! A days pigeon decoying (not that we'll be doing that much longer with the eu) would cost you thousands :mad:

Who do we bounce off of to tackle this head on?

badaj0z · 09-04-2021 8:25pm

Depleted Uranium is the way to go. Ask any A10 pilot.

Feisar · 09-04-2021 8:31pm

Zxthinger wrote: »

Who do we bounce off of to tackle this head on?

I'm not sure we can.

Grizzly45 has given enough stuff there that refutes the lead ban but it's no use if we all sit here in our echo chamber.

No point in refuting the muck on birdwatch Ireland if no one is listening for example.

Head for Dublin and sit down on O'Connell St every weekend till someone listens to reason?

After that stock up on ammo and work away. But that'd mean buying more ammo than licences allow, so yer in an illegal position. Not something I'm suggesting but shows how hard it is to display our discontent.

GooseB · 09-04-2021 9:33pm

Grizzly45 has already mentioned on page 2 of this thread that Firearms United Network - FUN - are looking for help in taking a case to the European Tribunal of Justice against the ban. Maybe it won't win but at least it's doing something. They're asking for assistance from shooters of all creeds across the entire EU to assist them. They're asking us, the people reading this - you - to ask whatever organisation you are in to join in to assist - target shooting, hunting, all of them. A membership fee goes towards the fight also. So what we could do is to do as he is asking in this video below. Fast forward to 5 minutes, 30 seconds to where it gets going.

https://firearms-united.com/

https://www.facebook.com/FirearmsUnitedNetwork/

JP22 · 09-04-2021 9:59pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Airsoft will be gone by then too.We'll be back to pointing hurleys and broomsticks at birds flying overhead and yelling BANG!! at them.:rolleyes:

Grizz.

Your forgetting the good old "Cat-a-Pult", remember them, those good old days, catapult (bought or home made) and small stones, and then we learnt that ball-bearings were far better.

:D:D

Grizzly 45 · 10-04-2021 12:55pm

Naw , they'll probably ban the LEAD SHOT that anyone with smarts was casting back in my day...Although looking at some of the Chinese yokes these days. They are so far removed from our trad fork and bike inner tube things. theses catapults are ultra high tech with mags for pump-action reloads for steel bearings, and drawing of the multi bands, folding stocks, laser dot sights. Id considers one just for shts and giggles plinking. Or just go over to Georg Spraves Slingshot channel on youtube and see what you could build with some plywood and rubberbands.

Grizzly 45 · 10-04-2021 12:59pm

GooseB wrote: »

Grizzly45 has already mentioned on page 2 of this thread that Firearms United Network - FUN - are looking for help in taking a case to the European Tribunal of Justice against the ban. Maybe it won't win but at least it's doing something. They're asking for assistance from shooters of all creeds across the entire EU to assist them. They're asking us, the people reading this - you - to ask whatever organisation you are in to join in to assist - target shooting, hunting, all of them. A membership fee goes towards the fight also. So what we could do is to do as he is asking in this video below. Fast forward to 5 minutes, 30 seconds to where it gets going.

https://firearms-united.com/

https://www.facebook.com/FirearmsUnitedNetwork/

Actually, what would help out immensely now is people volunteering to help FUN. Tomaz is snowed under with this so anyone wanting to help out...Give him a call or an email offering your services. [He speaks perfect albeit accented English] Help is worth more than money at the moment.

Grizzly 45 · 10-04-2021 1:14pm

Grizzly45 has given enough stuff there that refutes the lead ban but it's no use if we all sit here in our echo chamber.

Is it being fed to our orgs on a local, and national level and are they acting on this is another question?.Like I keep saying this is why media-savvy PR is vital in the shooting orgs these days.

No point in refuting the muck on birdwatch Ireland if no one is listening for example.

Not on this part, but we use it in the argument upcoming about the WP derogation ban.

Head for Dublin and sit down on O'Connell St every weekend till someone listens to reason?

If it worked for Greta Thunafish...:eek::rolleyes:

After that stock up on ammo and work away. But that'd mean buying more ammo than licences allow, so yer in an illegal position. Not something I'm suggesting but shows how hard it is to display our discontent.[/QUOTE]

Buy as much as you want, and keep the stock in a sympathetic dealer as your personal supply, draw off as and when needed.

GooseB · 10-04-2021 2:20pm

Zxthinger · 10-04-2021 8:20pm

If the follow defined area was just the extents of it then it might have been something that we could have lived with....
wetlands are areas of marsh, fen, peatland or water, whether natural or
artificial, permanent or temporary, with water that is static or flowing, fresh,
brackish or salt, including areas of marine water the depth of which at low
tide does not exceed six metres

But its not just wet lands.. Its a full ban on all lead....
https://echa.europa.eu/documents/10162/13641/rest_lead_inshooting_and_fishing_qa_v10_en.pdf/4f781863-71a0-f01d-5978-ca7d3cc20ef1

The irony is that 'THEY' promote it removal to protect human health yet it the lead ban or removal will not effect military or police ammunition.

They are coming after it all... boys

Zxthinger · 10-04-2021 8:27pm

Oh by the way, you can kiss your fishing weights goodbye too.

All lead will be banned

Grizzly 45 · 10-04-2021 8:47pm

So what are they suggesting as a replacement for the roof lead on historical buildings, churches and under preservation listed buildings? Surely there is a lot of lead pollution coming off those soft lead roofs over the centuries and deacades?:rolleyes:

Hardly surprising that the cops and armies are exempt...Otherwise, the Govts across the EU would be looking at billions to clean up former military and police ranges with their ground contaminants. How much lead is, for example, in the Glen of Immal? Now increase that by 10 or 15 times and you have places like Grafenwohr in Germany or Sailsbury in the UK...No wonder they exempted themselves.

badaj0z · 10-04-2021 9:36pm

Why do you think gargoyles are so ugly? When they were installed they were all pretty people and animals but they were clearly distorted by lead infection.

Zxthinger · 10-04-2021 10:42pm

What i want to is are they going to ban batteries? Are they going ban its use in industry..

What will radiographers use..

What will boat builders use for the luxury yachts

What a gang of **** heads
What will divers use..

Its time to lever the union.. I sick of the EU and all that it has brought

Zxthinger · 10-04-2021 10:56pm

Another important fact was that the ECHA requested input related to this drastic ruling but for only two months.. they also said that they would only be taken opinions from "experts"

I wonder who decided what experts they'd consult with??

Another hood winking hidden policy that streamlined with agenda 21 (now agenda 30)... its sickening

There is no lead poisoning in humans.. perhaps some swans died in the past but we addressed that.. in fact the I say that lead has saved more birds than they will ever know..

I feel betrayed and hurt.... I don't see leadership

I see lies and more lies and fools with lies falling from the perpetually moving mouths.............. .. ... .. ... .. ...
The whole things harks back to the communist style of getting this approved..

tudderone · 10-04-2021 11:13pm

Zxthinger wrote: »

What a gang of **** heads
What will divers use..

Its time to lever the union.. I sick of the EU and all that it has brought

Or what it has not brought, for example the vaccine. Germany its being reported has done a solo run to Putin in an effort to buy its Sputnik V vaccine, which is only 50% as effective in fighting covid as the others.

delboythedub · 10-04-2021 11:43pm

Asus1 wrote: »

I'd love to know have they taken soil samples from shooting ranges to say how high the lead readings were compared to an area that had no shooting done on it.Now we all know that the shooting range will of course have a higher reading as it's an area that gets covered in lead,but does that matter as no food stuffs is being taken from it.If the site is polluting grounds outside it's boundaries that's another matter.
I'm just at a loss as to why if it's true that they are removing lead from ammunition to remove firearms from the general population they think it will decrease terrorism.No one is that stupid it is just not a rational explanation.

Irish government have no interest in sorting out the Avoca River in wicklow which because of the abandoned lead mines there, has contaminated that beautiful salmon and seatrout river. The young fish die on there way down the river on their way out to sea due to lead poisoning They told us they had no funds available to clean it. Strange how they want to ban lead bullets.

Zxthinger · 11-04-2021 12:11am

Air rifle shooting will be destroyed by this disproportionate meddling. Look at the train wreck left by lead free ammo.

It's a disease this moral emotive reactive legislation that's devoid of common sense..
the clown are promoting tungsten and zinc which are as worse becusae they are not tested and proven..

https://youtu.be/KlHT0_yd-Ls

Toxic accuracy with lead free ammo is going yield high injury levels on targeted species.. I shoot vermin as a choir, I do it to keep my permissions valid. How can I use this ****tt in sheds with electrical cables and plastic water pipes at the feet of rats and pigeons which need to be removed..

What will Brussels do? Will they give professional pest controllers a dispensation on lead.. ffs

This is a travesty that's going to end up with someone getting hurt. We all be out shooting solid copper bullets at foxes and the ricochets are going to be mental.

Copper is too hard and it wonders of course after the right angular impact on bone. I have never seen flangable 22-250 and 220 swift rounds stay together after hitting anything.. they are super safe because the break up..

https://youtu.be/KlHT0_yd-Ls

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