Formula 1 2020 - General Discussion Thread (See MOD warning on first post)

elperello · 07-01-2020 12:36pm

Verstappen at Red Bull till end of '23.

He must think they can deliver a championship.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/935345/1/verstappen-signs-red-bull-f1-contract-extension

El_Duderino 09 · 07-01-2020 1:19pm

elperello wrote: »

Verstappen at Red Bull till end of '23.

He must think they can deliver a chamionship.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/935345/1/verstappen-signs-red-bull-f1-contract-extension

Depends on the get out clauses. He might just have no better options in the next couple of years.

elperello · 07-01-2020 2:15pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Depends on the get out clauses. He might just have no better options in the next couple of years.

Yes I'm sure he has get out clauses.
He won't want to hang around for four seasons without at least being in there with a chance.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-01-2020 2:27pm

elperello wrote: »

Yes I'm sure he has get out clauses.
He won't want to hang around for four seasons without at least being in there with a chance.

And unless he gets a better opportunity he might be stuck at Red bull. He's left with a similar situation to Dan Ric. Ric knew he probably wasn't getting a drive with merc and if red bull win a championship they'll be backing Max from the start. So DR banked on Renault as being HIS best chance of winning a championship.

Max is in a slightly better position as he is RB no.1 driver. But if RB Honda can't produce a winning car, then he's bunched unless Mercedes calls or the rule changes shake up the team order.

AMKC · 07-01-2020 2:51pm

elperello wrote: »

Verstappen at Red Bull till end of '23.

He must think they can deliver a championship.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/935345/1/verstappen-signs-red-bull-f1-contract-extension

Red Bull and Verstappen must know something we don't. I would say he is hopping they can deliver in the next 2 to 3 years.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-01-2020 4:21pm

OSI wrote: »

There's no where else for him to go really is there?

Not unless one of the other top teams calls.

But Vettel is at risk from next year and bottas is always at risk of being replaced and Hamilton could move team or retire so who knows?

vectra · 07-01-2020 5:23pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Whats the fantasy? Is it that Kimi may decide fúck it and miss say the last two races leading to a woeful replacement taking his seat? Hes definitely not ever done that before and had Kovalainen driving for Lotus.

Your post was a great example of the fetish some have re. KUBICA IS THE WORST EVER.

Maybe from now on everyone should spoiler tag
Kubica
so as not to set off or upset anyone?

Kimi walked from Lotus for a very good reason.
he didn't just say "fcuk it" and walk away.

recyclebin · 08-01-2020 4:34pm

Yes, he wasn't getting paid so walked, just like anyone else would do in that situation.

Frank Bullitt · 08-01-2020 5:35pm

So with Leclerc signed up, and Max committing to RB, I can see Lewis sticking with Merc.

Maybe we will see Ricciardo at Ferrari if Seb heads off, maybe to McLaren (some rumours of that). Next few years could see a few surprising seat changes.

SureYWouldntYa · 08-01-2020 5:57pm

Gintonious wrote: »

Maybe we will see Ricciardo at Ferrari if Seb heads off

Would he want to go somewhere where he would be a clear number 2 to the golden boy Charles?

Easier to be a big fish in a smaller Renault pond, that is if he's better than Ocon this year, I don't see a situation where he ends up in a championship winning position (unless Renault work some magic)

Dont be at yourself · 08-01-2020 6:22pm

Ricciardo always joined Renault with 2021 in mind so no point in jumping ship just yet.

pjohnson · 08-01-2020 7:27pm

Wehrlein has renewed his Ferrari Simulator Contract.

Frank Bullitt · 08-01-2020 7:47pm

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Ricciardo always joined Renault with 2021 in mind so no point in jumping ship just yet.

A lot would depend on 2020, if Renault are just as mediocre next year, he might well have second thoughts.

And if the Ferrari was in a good position for him to fight for wins, why wouldn't he?

vectra · 08-01-2020 8:56pm

Gintonious wrote: »

A lot would depend on 2020, if Renault are just as mediocre next year, he might well have second thoughts.

And if the Ferrari was in a good position for him to fight for wins, why wouldn't he?

And If there is no seat available in Ferrari?

Personally I think Dani was above average with red bull, but that was with the overtaking ability of that car.

I don't feel he is top tier.

Frank Bullitt · 08-01-2020 9:50pm

vectra wrote: »

And If there is no seat available in Ferrari?

Personally I think Dani was above average with red bull, but that was with the overtaking ability of that car.

I don't feel he is top tier.

If no seat then no drive, but signs are pointing to Vettel leaving Ferrari.

As for Ricciardo being above average: 7 wins at RB, beat Vettel (4 time world champion) in the same car in his first season. Only 30 years old and plenty of talent left to gain. Could argue he outperformed the car at a few races last year, Italy being one of them with a 4th place and also beat Hulkenberg.

Never heard of a car having "overtaking ability", pretty sure it was his right foot that did that, here is a video to remind you of his overtakes

Top tier driving.

pyramuid man · 08-01-2020 9:54pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Would he want to go somewhere where he would be a clear number 2 to the golden boy Charles?

Easier to be a big fish in a smaller Renault pond, that is if he's better than Ocon this year, I don't see a situation where he ends up in a championship winning position (unless Renault work some magic)

You mean like Charles was a clear number 2 this year? Ferrari like winners but no one is more important than the team. If Danny Ricciardo went in winning, he would become number one whether Charles liked it or not.

AMKC · 08-01-2020 11:06pm

I think that Danial Ricciardo would be great at Ferrari and it would be good for him, ferrari and the fans.

I think Danial is an above average driver. He is I would say a better driver than Vettel (4 time World Champion) as he beat Vettel in his first year against him in the same car and he has the potential to be as good as Hamilton. Maybe not win as many WDCs but if he got the right car maybe get a couple of WDCs.

elperello · 09-01-2020 12:22am

I know it's just sentimentalism but I'd just love to see an Italian in the red car.
Even if he is an Aussi Italian the tifosi would love it and I hope it happens.

vectra · 09-01-2020 2:20am

Gintonious wrote: »

If no seat then no drive, but signs are pointing to Vettel leaving Ferrari.

As for Ricciardo being above average: 7 wins at RB, beat Vettel (4 time world champion) in the same car in his first season. Only 30 years old and plenty of talent left to gain. Could argue he outperformed the car at a few races last year, Italy being one of them with a 4th place and also beat Hulkenberg.

Never heard of a car having "overtaking ability", pretty sure it was his right foot that did that, here is a video to remind you of his overtakes

Top tier driving.

Rosberg beat Hamilton in the same car.
Does that make him better than Halimton?

As for the overtaking ability of a car?
using a bit of cop on would tell you what I meant.
That Red bull was a fantastic car in the braking zones.

muckwarrior · 09-01-2020 3:01pm

vectra wrote: »

Rosberg beat Hamilton in the same car.
Does that make him better than Halimton?

No, because Hamilton beat him in 3 out of 4 years, and when Rosberg did beat him it was by a very narrow margin (with both fewer wins and podiums than Hamilton).

Ricciardo beat Vettel in his first year with Red Bull, taking 3 wins to Vettel's 0.

So the available data overwhelmingly shows that Ricciardo had superior performance to Vettel for their time in equal machinery, while Hamilton overall was superior to Rosberg. I'm really not sure why you needed to ask that question when the answer is so obvious.

weisses · 09-01-2020 4:42pm

Gintonious wrote: »

A lot would depend on 2020, if Renault are just as mediocre next year, he might well have second thoughts.

And if the Ferrari was in a good position for him to fight for wins, why wouldn't he?

Because he would be in the same position as he was with Red Bull and he ran away from that

vectra · 09-01-2020 4:56pm

muckwarrior wrote: »

No, because Hamilton beat him in 3 out of 4 years, and when Rosberg did beat him it was by a very narrow margin (with both fewer wins and podiums than Hamilton).

Ricciardo beat Vettel in his first year with Red Bull, taking 3 wins to Vettel's 0.

So the available data overwhelmingly shows that Ricciardo had superior performance to Vettel for their time in equal machinery, while Hamilton overall was superior to Rosberg. I'm really not sure why you needed to ask that question when the answer is so obvious.

Wasn't that the year Red Bull dropped the blown diffuser that Vettel worked to perfection in the previous years?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a full blown Vettel fan, but I do think Daniel is overrated.
I would have Vettel in a suitable car over Daniel.

Inviere · 09-01-2020 5:01pm

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Would he want to go somewhere where he would be a clear number 2 to the golden boy Charles?

Easier to be a big fish in a smaller Renault pond, that is if he's better than Ocon this year, I don't see a situation where he ends up in a championship winning position (unless Renault work some magic)

It's hard to be called a Number 2 though if you drive like a Number 1. If he went to Ferrari and just aced it, qualifying ahead of Charles, beating him in races etc (I know you've team orders to contend with but Ferrari quickly tend to favor the stronger driver, look at Seb/Charles this year alone), and just minding his own business, he'd shake off that Number 2 monocle before long.

muckwarrior · 09-01-2020 5:07pm

Inviere wrote: »

It's hard to be called a Number 2 though if you drive like a Number 1. If he went to Ferrari and just aced it, qualifying ahead of Charles, beating him in races etc (I know you've team orders to contend with but Ferrari quickly tend to favor the stronger driver, look at Seb/Charles this year alone), and just minding his own business, he'd shake off that Number 2 monocle before long.

That's all well and good if you can consistently beat the established driver, but when it's a situation where the drivers are extremely closely matched then things get more complicated, like with Ricciardo and Verstappen.

Inviere · 09-01-2020 5:10pm

muckwarrior wrote: »

That's all well and good if you can consistently beat the established driver, but when it's a situation where the drivers are extremely closely matched then things get more complicated, like with Ricciardo and Verstappen.

Obviously yes, but then you might argue whoever comes out on top has earned the number 1 status. If Daniel went to Ferrari and was outclassed by Charles, I'd have no issue accepting he'd be the #2 there. If he went and was competitive though, and beat Charles, then he'd earn the #1 badge. The thing is team orders can be an obstacle in that regard, he'd have to really outshine Charles and very quickly do it too, as Ferrari have clearly shown their hand with regard who their priority is.

Frank Bullitt · 09-01-2020 5:45pm

vectra wrote: »

Rosberg beat Hamilton in the same car.
Does that make him better than Halimton?

As for the overtaking ability of a car?
using a bit of cop on would tell you what I meant.
That Red bull was a fantastic car in the braking zones.

In the year that Rosberg beat Hamilton, yes he was better, that's why he won the championship.

RB was stable yes, but it doesn't break itself, and if you bothered to watch the video you'd see that it was more to do with driver ability and skill. The RB was still only the 3rd best car that year as well, so please, try again. :P

Frank Bullitt · 09-01-2020 5:47pm

vectra wrote: »

Wasn't that the year Red Bull dropped the blown diffuser that Vettel worked to perfection in the previous years?

Don't get me wrong, I am not a full blown Vettel fan, but I do think Daniel is overrated.
I would have Vettel in a suitable car over Daniel.

What??? in 2014 there were no blown diffusers, the cars all had one exhaust that was mandated in the rules. It was a level playing field, yes RB had the blown diffuser, but to suggest that Ricciardo only got the better of Vettel because of the diffuser being gone is laughable.

vectra · 09-01-2020 9:34pm

Gintonious wrote: »

What??? in 2014 there were no blown diffusers, the cars all had one exhaust that was mandated in the rules. It was a level playing field, yes RB had the blown diffuser, but to suggest that Ricciardo only got the better of Vettel because of the diffuser being gone is laughable.

Oh Jesus.
Are you trying for an argument or something?
Read my post again and you will see It said 2014 was when Red Bull dropped the blown diffuser. Not that they dropped it during the year.

Frank Bullitt · 09-01-2020 10:57pm

vectra wrote: »

Oh Jesus.
Are you trying for an argument or something?
Read my post again and you will see It said 2014 was when Red Bull dropped the blown diffuser. Not that they dropped it during the year.

What are you on about?

In 2014 the rules for the sport were changed so that no team at all could run a blown diffuser, RB never dropped anything, they never had it in 2014 at all, just like all the other teams.

AMKC · 09-01-2020 11:29pm

vectra wrote: »

Oh Jesus.
Are you trying for an argument or something?
Read my post again and you will see It said 2014 was when Red Bull dropped the blown diffuser. Not that they dropped it during the year.

Red Bull did not drop the diffuser it was banned during 2013 under rules by the FIA

Gintonious wrote: »

What are you on about?

In 2014 the rules for the sport were changed so that no team at all could run a blown diffuser, RB never dropped anything, they never had it in 2014 at all, just like all the other teams.

I think thats what he means and was trying to say.

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