Denver Broncos Thread

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Bit harsh, I don't think EE has said anything like that. He's just said that if Tebow gets a shot, he'll take it and show he can be a succesful QB. He's acknowledged that Tebow needs work, I haven't seen him leading a campaign that Tebow is of elite starting calibre as it is or anything. He's just taking the view that the rest of the Tebow fans on here are taking - he has what it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL and will be succesful some day. I dont think anyone is championing Tebow to lead a team to the Superbowl this year or anything - they're the type of idiots you'll get on NFL.com comments section and the like. EE is just saying, and I agree with him, that Tebow has intangibles of a high level that very few QBs ever have, and that if he can use these while working on his mechanics and make himself a better player then he'll make some franchise very happy one day.

Im sorry I have to disagree with you and EE post. Had he wrote that post without insulting the intellliegence of those who disagreed with him I would say fair enough each to his own. But to basically call us idiots in my book is not on.

But lets look at Tebows situation will we:

- He has flaws that don't suit an NFL starting QB
- He has failed to fix those flaws
- He is having a bad camp and pre-season. So bad to the extent that even some of the Tebow loving pundits are beginning to see that this so called determination is been out shone by actually talent at QB
- He is now a 3rd string QB and it is obvious to everyone in the Pros that even now in his 2nd year he is still that project QB Josh McDaniels drafted.

Tebow is an amazing athlete and it showed in college. Unfortunately for him Florida were not ineterested in turning him into a NFL QB. Florida were quite happy to let it slide as lets face it he dominated college teams. Unfortunately you can't carry that immediate success with you to the pros and now Tebow is just an average QB at best with all this so called heart and determination.

My last word. The NFL is a business not a kindergarden. Tebow was naive to think that his heart and determination that made everybody love him in college would translate to the same love in the Pros. He went 1st round and has failed to live up to the expectation of a first round QB simples. Money talks and no company is going to hang onto to someone who can't do his job properly no matter how much he is determined.

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Well I don't think EE called anyone here an idiot, he called the experts who are paid to write columns and give analysis idiots I think? Open to interpretation of course, but just one thing...

Let me quote what Eagle eye said. Most certainly implies anyone who disagrees with him

Thats the end of this for me. There is one guy here who is just trying to rise people but he is pretty poor at it. There are plenty who don't believe he can make it, I think these people don't understand how far ruthless determination can bring you.

As for the Naive thing. Tebow was being egged on by so many people from Bible bashers to Ex players to ex coaches that I truly believe he didn't think he needed as much work as it turned out he needed. when he came into the Pros I feel people were telling him it will be ok you will become a starter within 1 year because you have this heart and determination and all that jazz. But Im beginning to feel that now Tebow realises the task at hand is a larger uphill struggle than he first perceived it to be. He Naively came into the pros thinking he would be alright and it now hasn't panned out for him.

As someone else said Tebow isn't the only rookie who will put in a ton of work and commitment and heart and determination to get where they need to be. The thing is a lot of those rookies already have the skills to be Pro ready. Tebow doesn't and it is clear to us all that he is finding it tough especially now he is 3rd string behind 2 guys who are clearly ready to go.

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Where did he call you an idiot though?

By saying that just because we don't agree with him that we don't understand what the determination and heart can do for someone implies stupidity. When you belittle someones opinion into your own theory you are basically calling someone stupid in my eyes and insulting their intelligence.

But where's the evidence for this? There's been nothing to suggest he was thinking it would be a walk in the park, he's been very clear with how much work he knew it would take and that's even before he knew he would be a first rounder.

I know Tebow isn't good enough to start for the Broncos at the moment. I think he will be a starter for someone some day, but not the Broncos right now, but of all the things this has turned into, it's definitely not a "Tebow eating humble pie" or a "Tebow with egg on his face" scenario. Criticise how suitable he is for this league all you want, but imo his attitude has been anything but a stick to beat him with.

Each to their own Im not going round in circles with this anymore. Time will tell and right now its not looking good for Tebow. As for starting with Denver I highly doubt it. Denver will trade him or cut him next year. Its clear they don't want him anymore.

Jordans n Timbs wrote: »

f*ck tebow



f*cker cant take a snap to save his life.......he looks like sh*t operating from the shotgun too....

Tell us how you really feel?

eagle eye wrote: »

Honestly Tallaght you need to take a break I think. I wasn't calling you or anybody else on here an idiot. In fact as Tom_Brady said, I wasn't even referring to you guys in that sentence.

The sentence before was in reference to one guy on here but after it is a full stop not a comma. I'd use a comma if I was referring to others on here.

And even if it was referring to guys on here taking what I said to calling you an idiot is a huge stretch. Chillax man and don't be reading into something and finding whats not there or not intended to be there.

I am calm Eagle Eye. As for taking a break haha Yeah that is what I need to do :rolleyes:

You said this:

There are plenty who don't believe he can make it, I think these people don't understand how far ruthless determination can bring you.

You are honestly telling me that doesn't refer to everyone who thinks Tebow wont make it? :rolleyes: To say people don't understand something when they disagree with you is the reason they don't get it is in my book an insult on their intelligence and implies stupidity.

eagle eye wrote: »

Honestly man I think you would fight with your own shadow right now. I don't have the time or inclination at the moment to go on with this.

If I read between the lines here then I can say that you are calling me a liar. Should I do that, are you calling me a liar?

Don't bother answering because I don't really care that much tbh. Just understand that going off on a rant and shouting that I was calling people idiots is just plain ridiculous.

Dude the sentence is in black and white. Last time I checked I wasn't a mind reader or wizard.

There are plenty who don't believe he can make it, I think these people don't understand how far ruthless determination can bring you.

How else does one read this when it clearly implies Everybody. Now to be fair the liar thing? Jumping to conclusions are we? I can only read what you write and what you wrote is a clear insult on the intelligence of those who think Tebow can't make it. As I said thats how it reads. If you dont like it be careful what you write ye know.

As for fighting with my own shadow haha brilliant you say that everytime to me and how long are posting on here I have used this same style of writing from day 1 and have admitted on many occasions I am an arrogant pr1ck. Hardly anything new at this point.

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Well I don't think EE called anyone here an idiot, he called the experts who are paid to write columns and give analysis idiots I think? Open to interpretation of course, but just one thing...



What makes you say this?

It would be naive if he thought he would walk onto a team and everything would go swimmingly, but I've never seen Tebow champion himself as an elite NFL QB, or demand love from all the fans. I thought he was pretty open and clear that he knew he needed to work on his mechanics - he was very open about that even in the ESPN documentary. He's never come across as someone who thinks he has some divine right to be a QB in the NFL, he's just said that's what he wants to do and he's going to work hard at it to make his dreams come true. I don't think he's been naive at all, I think he's a humble guy who's been very up front about the hard work in store in order to make it in this league.

Definitely in Denver veterans in the Broncos organisation were not to enamoured with some things Toebow done. There were whisperings that after the initial Tebow-mainia had died down last year that Tebow should have respected the starter more

There was talk about inpromptu interviews after practice with huge numbers of media even though Tebow was the no.2 and the way that the circus was undermining Orton. Whilst i would say that Tebow is in no ways a classic diva , there has been exasperation this off-season that he wasnt reading defensive looks better ..so does the guy have the football IQ for the job

This is something that Brandon Lloyd alluded to in ways when thanking god Orton was back after the brief Miami trade talks

neilster wrote: »

Definitely in Denver veterans in the Broncos organisation were not to enamoured with some things Toebow done. There were whisperings that after the initial Tebow-mainia had died down last year that Tebow should have respected the starter more

Do you have a source for this? What things were they not happy with? And don't come back with "well, there was whisperings" because that's bullshít. You said definitely, so where have these veterans been criticising Tebow for not respecting starters? Show me a link to these criticisms.

neilster wrote: »

There was talk about inpromptu interviews after practice with huge numbers of media even though Tebow was the no.2 and the way that the circus was undermining Orton.

He was answering questions for the media? Wow, what a jerk :rolleyes: Again, show me where the veterans have come out and criticised him for this?

neilster wrote: »

Whilst i would say that Tebow is in no ways a classic diva , there has been exasperation this off-season that he wasnt reading defensive looks better ..so does the guy have the football IQ for the job

This is something that Brandon Lloyd alluded to in ways when thanking god Orton was back after the brief Miami trade talks

Aaaaand there we go, classic neilster. Bringing up a point that wasn't even made. You quoted my post where I talked about nothing but his attitude, why are you going on about reading defences?

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neilster wrote: »

Who said anything about Arkansas , im talking about the limited look that was gained of Mallett & Tebow so far in pre-season

Arkansas is college... Tebow and Florida is in the rear view mirror...he is with the big dogs now and it isnt going well

Adam, To be fair its impossible at this point to say Mallett is fairing better than Tebow at a pro level. Mallett has done just ok in the pre-season and nothing has stood out with him so far other than the fact he played well in his first pre-season game but so did Tebow last year..

Comparing the two based on NFL experience is pointless at best. One is a rookie and the other is in his second year and we have nothing to compare them on.

Sure Malletts Fundamentals are built for a Pro style and would assume from what we have learned right now with the right time on the Pats bench behind Hoyer and Brady that Mallett will be more than ready when the time comes. But that is nothing more than an assumption based on how the Pats help their players grow.