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US Presidential Election 2020

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    #6632
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 13,537 ✭✭✭✭briany


    eire4 wrote: »
    Not a joke no. Here is the president himself telling voters in North Carolina to vote twice. Granted the president is not a reputable source given he lies so much but in this case no reputable source needed when he is in his own words urging his voters to commit a crime by voting twice.

    https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/id718519009

    What constitutes electoral fraud in the U.S., or does it vary state-by-state? Is it attempting to vote twice or actually successfully voting twice? If it's the former, Trump's bang to rights, but if it's the latter, then I can see how Trump could technically say he wasn't telling people to commit electoral fraud, but merely 'test the system'.


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    #6633
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,400 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    briany wrote: »
    What constitutes electoral fraud in the U.S., or does it vary state-by-state? Is it attempting to vote twice or actually successfully voting twice? If it's the former, Trump's bang to rights, but if it's the latter, then I can see how Trump could technically say he wasn't telling people to commit electoral fraud, but merely 'test the system'.

    But he says

    Send in the postal vote, then on election day go to the polling station and ask if your vote has been counted, if it hasn't then you should vote in person


    The problem there is their postal vote will not have been counted yet as the election isn't over so they will then vote again. Thats voter fraud and Trump is telling people to do this.


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    #6634
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,437 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    The last subject should be fun, Trump will be a jibbering wreck at that stage and will go off on a rant voicing all of his wild conspiracy theories.

    Well provided that Chris Wallace sticks rigidly to the time limits and doesn’t let trump ramble and wonder off like a lost dog(not literally) when asked a question that he can’t or doesn’t want to answer.


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    #6635
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,019 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    No hope of keeping trump to the time slots.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #6636
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    StringerBell wrote: »
    No hope of keeping trump to the time slots.

    Thats an issue that has to be resolved.

    Allow each candidate a total of x minutes overrun per topic and then cut their mikes...


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    #6637
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,064 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    StringerBell wrote: »
    No hope of keeping trump to the time slots.

    Chris Wallace will be able for him alright.


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    #6638
    letowski
    Registered Users Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭letowski


    You know something's amiss when America (of all countries) has to have a debate on the integrity of their elections. Latin America must be weeping.


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    #6639
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,437 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Chris Wallace will be able for him alright.

    Well hopefully. I know this would go against free speech probably(well trump and his crowd would claim that) but cut the mics at the time limit. That way both Biden and trump can only ramble so long.


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    #6640
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    Well hopefully. I know this would go against free speech probably(well trump and his crowd would claim that) but cut the mics at the time limit. That way both Biden and trump can only ramble so long.

    They wouldn't have a leg to stand on!

    1st amendment free speech protections only apply in respect of Government encroachments. In a private setting, such as a well-moderated debate, the rules that have been agreed by the participants can be fully implemented by those in charge on the night with absolutely no rights of 1A redress by the participants.

    A properly moderated debate should also prevent any of the participants hulking over the other like a drooling marauder, a stalker and/or a creepy bully. The fact that Trump got away with that behaviour in 2016 in his stalking of Hillary on stage was an absolute disgrace and needs to be dealt with this time!

    Mike on for your alloted time... Mess about and run down the clock? Mike off!.. See how well you appear as you shriek and holler in the background like a heckler if you cant behave yourself!


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    #6641
    [Deleted User]
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    stefanovich wrote: »
    I see two possible realities.

    a) The system is secure and duplicates will be uncovered
    b) The system is insecure and open to fraud - proving Trump's point.

    Which is it?
    Trump's own campaign couldn't even establish what he was claiming.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/21/trump-campaign-voter-fraud-pennsylvania


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    #6642
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 18,974 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    stefanovich wrote: »
    He is, but he never encouraged anyone to commit voter fraud and no one who could be held accountable has accused him of it.

    This is something Trump and his entourage benefit from.

    They are full of absolute BS. Trump can say something and when he is called on it, excuse it away as hyperbole.

    He got Daniel's defamation case dismissed on that basis.

    Corsi wasn't pursued as he is all over the place.

    Carlson got McDougal's case struck out. On what basis? That people understand and expect bo**ox from him.

    https://twitter.com/businessinsider/status/1309337507918741510?s=19

    Think about that. Carlson got away with it because people should not believe his show.

    Fox news everybody.


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    #6643
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    everlast75 wrote: »

    Think about that. Carlson got away with it because people should not believe his show.

    Fox news everybody.


    The US has a big unreasonable person problem. Carlson is watched by millions.


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    #6644
    briany
    Registered Users Posts: 13,537 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The conspiracy theorist Alex Jones did the same thing when brought to court for defamation. One of his legal team's defences was that Jones was really a performance artist. Once you put a lot of these right-wing commentators under proper legal scrutiny, they are exposed for what they often are - s**t stirrers who cannot back up their irresponsible claims.

    The US in particular has a big problem with their news - it's become so blended with entertainment that it's impossible to know where one ends and the other begins. Everywhere, the news used to be a man or a woman sitting at a desk. It would come on a couple of times a day and they would dryly report the events of the day with no editorial comment. I'd suggest a wholesale return to that style but the genie's already out of the bottle.


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    #6645
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    briany wrote: »
    The conspiracy theorist Alex Jones did the same thing when brought to court for defamation. One of his legal team's defences was that Jones was really a performance artist. Once you put a lot of these right-wing commentators under proper legal scrutiny, they are exposed for what they often are - s**t stirrers who cannot back up their irresponsible claims.

    The US in particular has a big problem with their news - it's become so blended with entertainment that it's impossible to know where one ends and the other begins. Everywhere, the news used to be a man or a woman sitting at a desk. It would come on a couple of times a day and they would dryly report the events of the day with no editorial comment. I'd suggest a wholesale return to that style but the genie's already out of the bottle.

    The elimination of the fairness doctrine is what gave us Fox News and their ilk today.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine

    As you say, the genie is out of the bottle.


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    #6646
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    StringerBell wrote: »
    No hope of keeping trump to the time slots.

    If there's no audience there'll be no problem.

    No audience for Biden Sanders worked and made it a great sober debate. Trump is fupped in this scenario.


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    #6647
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,437 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    If there's no audience there'll be no problem.

    No audience for Biden Sanders worked and made it a great sober debate. Trump is fupped in this scenario.

    I’m all for no audiences full stop. I remember the debates for the last election here in Ireland and it like clapping seals and it’s distracting.


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    #6648
    pixelburp
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 35,941 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    If there's no audience there'll be no problem.

    No audience for Biden Sanders worked and made it a great sober debate. Trump is fupped in this scenario.

    That's a relevant point for sure. Trump gains power playing to an audience and in the cold glare of an empty studio might struggle to energise himself to parry whatever Biden or the moderators throw at him.


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    #6649
    eire4
    Registered Users Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭eire4


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    The elimination of the fairness doctrine is what gave us Fox News and their ilk today.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine

    As you say, the genie is out of the bottle.

    This is just one of the many aspects of the drift of the US since Reagan from being a legitimate democracy towards its current standing (IMHO) as an oligarchy leaning towards been an authoritarian state.


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    #6650
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,019 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    If there's no audience there'll be no problem.

    No audience for Biden Sanders worked and made it a great sober debate. Trump is fupped in this scenario.

    Nah there is no way he will be stopped from.rambling on about various subjects and throwing conspiracy theories around throughout. I'd happily wager it, the man can not be controlled in that manner. Stream of consciousness takes over, not having an audience to feed off will help no doubt but he will talk about Biden and China and Biden and Ukraine and God knows what else throughout.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #6651
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    StringerBell wrote: »
    Nah there is no way he will be stopped from.rambling on about various subjects and throwing conspiracy theories around throughout. I'd happily wager it, the man can not be controlled in that manner. Stream of consciousness takes over, not having an audience to feed off will help no doubt but he will talk about Biden and China and Biden and Ukraine and God knows what else throughout.

    I think he can be.

    You saw what he was like during the Wallace sit-down.

    I reckon he'll lash out ott like the bully he is and then meekly recoil when he doesn't get the response he requires to keep it up.

    He's not gonna flap Biden or Wallace. It's gonna be amazing.


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    #6652
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,260 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    I think he can be.

    You saw what he was like during the Wallace sit-down.

    I reckon he'll lash out ott like the bully he is and then meekly recoil when he doesn't get the response he requires to keep it up.

    He's not gonna flap Biden or Wallace. It's gonna be amazing.
    Not half as amazing as all Trump fans here who'll claim he did the best debate ever with Trump winning and Biden clearly has alheimzers due to stuttering etc. while making up excuses for all the weird things he said.


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    #6653
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Nody wrote: »
    Not half as amazing as all Trump fans here who'll claim he did the best debate ever with Trump winning and Biden clearly has alheimzers due to stuttering etc. while making up excuses for all the weird things he said.

    I'm including that in my "amazing" declaration. :)


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    #6654
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,019 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    I dunno, I don't share you confidence in that but I'll be happy to be proven wrong in the event it happens.

    trump cannot win the debate on the points, so what else has he got but the usual **** show? The media spend the next few days dissecting and fact checking his nonsense, until that pattern is broken I'll remain skeptical :)

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #6655
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 18,921 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    SNF, MNF and then The Debate. It's going to be a very American and a very late night week this week.


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    #6656
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    It looks like Trump will be nominating Amy Coney Barrett for Supreme Court Justice, according to reports out of the U.S.

    The next steps for Joe Biden's campaign need careful consideration. The Supreme Court is one of the topics in next week's debate. Clearly, Coney Barrett's nomination will loom large over that aspect of the debate.

    Biden should NOT get into the merits or otherwise of Barrett's candicacy. Whatever issues one might have about a nomination and vote being made in an election year, it would be entirely wrong for him to get into the weeds about her suitability or otherwise for the role; that assessment is a job for the Senate.


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    #6657
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Just reading about how US influence in Asia is changing under Trump:

    1. South Korea is actively discussing developing a native nuclear defense/offense capability...
    2. Japan is totally at sea with respect to where the US currrently stands regarding China's creation of sovereign territory by pumping sand into coral reefs... Piracy gone totally un- answered!
    3. China is drilling ever further into places like Hong Kong, Kashmir and its internal abuse of Uighurs!

    And thats just a sample!

    What do they have in common?

    TOTAL AND ABSOLUTE ABROGATION OF U.S. RESPONSIBILITIES
    TOTAL AND ABSOLUTE FAILURE TO HELP, INFLUENCE AND/OR ACTUALLY SORT **** OUT!


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    #6658
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,019 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    The republicans are being lined up behind trump parroting him out of one side of their mouth while trying to thread a line with very carefully chosen words out of the other.

    They are telling the public what they intend to do, I hope that the American public are listening.

    Graham and Pence with the latest lines of crap I've heard regarding the election. I don't think Biden takes the issue as seriously as he should, so I really hope there are people on his team who understand the intent.

    trump knows he's losing, everything he is doing now is just his lashing out from a position of weakness. Sending money to PR, making promises he didn't see fit to implement in his first 3.5 years of office etc, he's desperate. When a man with no principles, no morals, is desperate and aware he is fighting for his life that is a very dangerous person.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #6659
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    In the debates Biden has to act Presidential with Trump carrying and failing to burden of the Presidency.


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    #6660
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,437 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    It needs to be a big lead for joe Biden on election night before it’s closed down because if trump is ahead it’ll be like the Monaco Grand Prix the year the race was stopped in the rain with senna catching Prost in that the outcome will be prematurely called.

    Also, the talk about Pennsylvania and the GOP legislature ignoring the voters is just noise. It seems all states passed laws years ago to give the voters power and to change that they’d need to pass another law repealing the current one and that has to be signed by the governor who is a democrat in Pennsylvania.


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    #6661
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,113 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Called by whom? Each State when all votes are counted declares its Electors. Not up to Biden, Trump, GOP or Dems.


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