New Worldwide Handicap System

macslash · 18-10-2020 9:14pm

Sorry if this question makes no sense but will our HI replace our Handicap on competition results on HDID etc? I'm guessing there'll be no 'new' HI either listed? Thanks

prawnsambo · 18-10-2020 9:17pm

macslash wrote: »

Sorry if this question makes no sense but will our HI replace our Handicap on competition results on HDID etc? I'm guessing there'll be no 'new' HI either listed? Thanks

Yes to the first. Can't figure out what you're asking in the second.

Seve OB · 18-10-2020 9:31pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Apparently our club will be keeping the congu handicaps converted to winter handicaps until qualifying restarts in April. Just what I heard today but could be BS.

But your new handicap will be on golf Ireland. I don’t see how your club can decide to “keep” your old handicaps as its not really their decision.

prawnsambo · 18-10-2020 9:34pm

Seve OB wrote: »

But your new handicap will be on golf Ireland. I don’t see how your club can decide to “keep” your old handicaps as its not really their decision.

I took it to mean that they would be running NQ competitions in the winter using the old CONGU handicaps. All run internally without GolfNet.

fred funk }{ · 18-10-2020 9:36pm

Seve OB wrote: »

But your new handicap will be on golf Ireland. I don’t see how your club can decide to “keep” your old handicaps as its not really their decision.

For non qualifying golf they can pretty much make up any rule they want and use whatever system they want.

Mantis Toboggan · 18-10-2020 9:39pm

fred funk }{ wrote: »

For non qualifying golf they can pretty much make up any rule they want and use whatever system they want.

That's it, winter handicaps have always been managed internally in the club.

Seve OB · 18-10-2020 9:42pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

That's it, winter handicaps have always been managed internally in the club.

Ah ok. So if you play an open or something you will have access to your new WHS index

macslash · 19-10-2020 1:17am

prawnsambo wrote: »

Yes to the first. Can't figure out what you're asking in the second.

What I meant was after a competition your new handicap is given, on HDID anyway. I.e. if you got .1 back or got cut an amount and have a new handicap. Will this be the same or what? My understanding (which is probably wrong) was that we wouldn't really know our HI until the day of a comp when we register in the clubhouse. Sorry if I've gotten this ar$eways.

prawnsambo · 19-10-2020 8:45am

macslash wrote: »

What I meant was after a competition your new handicap is given, on HDID anyway. I.e. if you got .1 back or got cut an amount and have a new handicap. Will this be the same or what? My understanding (which is probably wrong) was that we wouldn't really know our HI until the day of a comp when we register in the clubhouse. Sorry if I've gotten this ar$eways.

No, you should know within a day. There was some discussion as to whether your HI would be visible in club software or not, but my understanding is that it will. There will also be an app from GUI/Golf Ireland that will give you this info too.

kennethrhcp · 19-10-2020 11:03am

kennethrhcp wrote: »

Hi lads, is golfnet updating with our new handicaps? I'm currently off 8.6 which is right and all scores have been processed. My club records still show me at 8.6 but golfnet tonight has my exact at 8.2

A friend of mine is currently off 7.4 but golfnet has him down as 6.4

golfnet back to my correct handicap now. was a strange one

GreeBo · 19-10-2020 11:18am

jp101 wrote: »

Thanks for that. That won’t feel good but I suppose it is what it is.

I guess its a toss up between feeling bad being off (lets pick 18) versus feeling bad having 28 points off 15

TheFarneyman · 19-10-2020 12:21pm

Is there still a non qualifying winter or is that done away with under the new system?

prawnsambo · 19-10-2020 12:36pm

TheFarneyman wrote: »

Is there still a non qualifying winter or is that done away with under the new system?

Non-qualifying is still non-qualifying. It's worth noting though, that qualifying competitions can still be held during the winter, provided that the rules of golf have not been altered to the point that they no longer apply in some circumstances. Such as placing in the rough or more than 50% of bunkers being out of play etc.

Rikand · 19-10-2020 1:10pm

PARlance wrote: »

Any word if the GUI will be using Nov 1 as the cut off for lowest previous year HC / for club teams etc?

There will be lots of unhappy captains if they stick to the calendar year. That's based on the assumption that most people will lose a shot or two.

If that happens though, every club will be in the same boat so it wont make any difference

prawnsambo · 19-10-2020 1:33pm

Rikand wrote: »

If that happens though, every club will be in the same boat so it wont make any difference

Plus it won't be from November 1st since handicap indexes will go back 20 competitions/scores anyway.

Seve OB · 19-10-2020 2:39pm

PARlance wrote: »

Any word if the GUI will be using Nov 1 as the cut off for lowest previous year HC / for club teams etc?

There will be lots of unhappy captains if they stick to the calendar year. That's based on the assumption that most people will lose a shot or two.

From listening to the GUI podcast it sounds like most people will actually go out a tiny bit, in the main (I think they said 85%) Will be little to no difference. It’s the lower guys who are more likely to go down

PARlance · 19-10-2020 3:43pm

Rikand wrote: »

If that happens though, every club will be in the same boat so it wont make any difference

Oh ya, I understand that but I was playing with a captain recently and he had the guys of his team for next year more or less mapped out. I hadn't the heart to say that there could be a lot of changes with the new system.

GreeBo · 19-10-2020 4:36pm

Seve OB wrote: »

From listening to the GUI podcast it sounds like most people will actually go out a tiny bit, in the main (I think they said 85%) Will be little to no difference. It’s the lower guys who are more likely to go down

Looks like I will lose a shot based on my very rough calculation of average from best 8.
Nett differentials:
-2
-3
-4
-1
0
+1
+1
0

Averaging exactly 4 over against CSS

username?! · 19-10-2020 10:50pm

Will there be a list of course slopes and ratings?

KevH1984 · 20-10-2020 8:04am

I'm in a similar boat to you off my rough calculations from my last 20 counting competitions. Currently 3.9 exact, new WHS average +1.7 over par so I'd say I'm definitely going to lose 1 if not 2 shots. Going to be big changes come next year if that's the case.

GreeBo · 20-10-2020 8:58am

KevH1984 wrote: »

I'm in a similar boat to you off my rough calculations from my last 20 counting competitions. Currently 3.9 exact, new WHS average +1.7 over par so I'd say I'm definitely going to lose 1 if not 2 shots. Going to be big changes come next year if that's the case.

Could be curtains for your interclub career!

KevH1984 · 20-10-2020 9:39am

GreeBo wrote: »

Could be curtains for your interclub career!

ðŸ˜¢ðŸ˜¢ðŸ˜¢ðŸ˜¢

We'll make the best of it anyway

prawnsambo · 20-10-2020 10:09am

Clubs will have sight of member's new handicap indexes this week. They are being asked to review them and assess whether any might need an adjustment. Some changes to scorecards are also advised with spaces for handicap index, course handicap and playing handicap.

Russman · 20-10-2020 10:22am

prawnsambo wrote: »

Clubs will have sight of member's new handicap indexes this week. They are being asked to review them and assess whether any might need an adjustment. Some changes to scorecards are also advised with spaces for handicap index, course handicap and playing handicap.

Now there's a thankless task if ever there was one !

Actually how will that work in practice ?
If someone's best 8 from last 20 throws up an index of say, 12, and the club decide for whatever reason that's too high and Joe should be off 10, what will happen when he plays his next round and the system looks at his best 8 again ? Won't it likely just throw up another index of 12 ? I've a feeling I'm missing something here !

finglashoop · 20-10-2020 10:25am

prawnsambo wrote: »

Clubs will have sight of member's new handicap indexes this week. They are being asked to review them and assess whether any might need an adjustment. Some changes to scorecards are also advised with spaces for handicap index, course handicap and playing handicap.

Why are they reviewing?
Best 8 from 20 on a rolling 20 scored should require no intervention i would have thought

gypsy79 · 20-10-2020 10:33am

I would read it that they are getting the clubs to do a further peer review of the results of the algorithm

Anything reported will be used for final testing. Mick wont even open it. I nearly considered offering to do it for him!

finglashoop · 20-10-2020 10:47am

gypsy79 wrote: »

I would read it that they are getting the clubs to do a further peer review of the results of the algorithm

Anything reported will be used for final testing. Mick wont even open it. I nearly considered offering to do it for him!

And if they were to adjust a players initial index, when the player plays his next round the calculations will correct him to where he should be

paulos53 · 20-10-2020 10:48am

Russman wrote: »

Now there's a thankless task if ever there was one !

Actually how will that work in practice ?
If someone's best 8 from last 20 throws up an index of say, 12, and the club decide for whatever reason that's too high and Joe should be off 10, what will happen when he plays his next round and the system looks at his best 8 again ? Won't it likely just throw up another index of 12 ? I've a feeling I'm missing something here !

The way ESR works is to reduce the differential of your past 20 scores by 1 or 2 shots so that future handicap updates will automatically handle the cut.

I assume any cuts from the club will work the same way

[Deleted User] · 20-10-2020 11:02am

They are being asked to review where there is a difference of 3 or more between current playing handicap and proposed Handicap Index. This is fair enough I suppose as it might throw up a few outliers.

willabur · 20-10-2020 11:04am

Just got an ESR from my last round before lockdown#2
with normal cut that drops me from 12 to 10.7 in one go
I just recalculated my handicap using the calc pasted here before
Handicap = 12

New Worldwide Handicap System

Comments