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Let's all talk about Lewis?

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  • #152
    the_pen_turner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,505 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    i dont get the racisism acusations at all. most people that dont like hamilton have always disliked him even before he became succesfull and well before he became one of the best drivers in the sport ever. people dont like him because of the way he acts and speaks. he is often arrogent and self obsessed and 'never wrong', when things are going good its his own success but when they dont its the teams fault.

    there are reasons people dont like him. his race has nothing to do with it

    thinking that people dislike him because he is succesfull is laughable, there are lots of sports stars out then that are succesfull and are well likes.

    look at mayweather, woods, michael jorden, koby bryant, shaquel o neil, etc etc. they all feature in the top 10 paid sports stars in the last few year. race doesnt come into it


  • #153
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,095 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Gintonious wrote: »
    Must have read them a few times now, can't spot any sort of racism at all in either of them.

    Criticizing an anti-racism stance is therefore racist. Serious mental gymnastics going on there.

    Theres a vocal cohort of Hamilton fans who use his race as a free pass for anything and if you disagree/criticise him at all you are racist. LiquidZeb has just shown that skill.


  • #154
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,238 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Theres a vocal cohort of Hamilton fans who use his race as a free pass for anything and if you disagree/criticise him at all you are racist. LiquidZeb has just shown that skill.

    I will keep an eye out for that in the future so :(


  • #155
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,184 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    A number of posts removed - please note the Admin team are reviewing those posts - pleased do not discuss further here


  • #156
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,238 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


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    He should probably have a word with this team and accounts department.


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  • #157
    ruwithme
    Registered Users Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭ruwithme


    A six time formula 1 world champion, and not yet retired. What more is there to say.


  • #158
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,238 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    ruwithme wrote: »
    A six time formula 1 world champion, and not yet retired. What more is there to say.

    You must be new around here. Welcome.


  • #159
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,318 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    ruwithme wrote: »
    A six time formula 1 world champion, and not yet retired. What more is there to say.
    Plenty to say.
    He's been gifted the records.


  • #160
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Plenty to say.
    He's been gifted the records.

    Beaten every team-mate he’s ever had, including three world champions.


  • #161
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Beaten every team-mate he’s ever had, including three world champions.

    And has been beaten by at least 2 different team mates over the course of a season.


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  • #162
    shootermacg
    Registered Users Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Great driver! Great in the rain too. Always seemed polite and respectful in interviews, what's not to like. I can like someone who thinks the earth is flat, it doesn't offend me.


  • #163
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,318 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Beaten every team-mate he’s ever had, including three world champions.
    What about Jenson over 3 years together?


  • #164
    tipp_tipp_tipp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 407 ✭✭tipp_tipp_tipp


    ELM327 wrote: »
    What about Jenson over 3 years together?

    Didn't Hamilton beat him 2 out of 3 :confused:


  • #165
    recyclebin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,499 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    tipp_tipp_tipp wrote: »
    Didn't Hamilton beat him 2 out of 3 :confused:

    He did. Rosberg and Button only beat Hamilton once and both are world champions so no shame in losing once or twice, gave him more motivation to win even more.


  • #166
    Killinator
    Registered Users Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Killinator


    I presume any good driver in history who ever drove a dominant car can have the title for that season written off as being handed to them, or those it only count with Lewis?


  • #167
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,098 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Lewis says he feels awkward negotiating a new contract when so many job losses are going on.

    So drive for free then?


  • #168
    recyclebin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,499 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    People seem to forget that Schumacher had Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne behind him. Vettel had Adrian Newey at Red Bull. Great drivers always have a great team behind them.


  • #169
    shootermacg
    Registered Users Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Lewis says he feels awkward negotiating a new contract when so many job losses are going on.

    So drive for free then?

    Why would he? If he wasn't making the people he drives for and sponsors money he would be getting zero. It's not his fault his market rate is more than 1000 times the average wage. On top of that I am going to go out on a limb and say he does a lot more for charity than anyone in this thread, that includes you.


  • #170
    Killinator
    Registered Users Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Killinator


    recyclebin wrote: »
    People seem to forget that Schumacher had Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne behind him. Vettel had Adrian Newey at Red Bull. Great drivers always have a great team behind them.

    Senna liked to hop to teams he believed had the best car, he left McLaren cause the Williams was all powerful but then it got nerfed the year he joined.
    Why Hamilton is expected to drive the Alpha Romeo or Haas to prove himself I don't know.
    He wasn't some randomer McLaren picked up off the street for his first year, they obviously saw talent in him. Not to mention he joined Mercedes when they had won previously zilch at the time after returning


  • #171
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,238 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Killinator wrote: »
    Senna liked to hop to teams he believed had the best car, he left McLaren cause the Williams was all powerful but then it got nerfed the year he joined.
    Why Hamilton is expected to drive the Alpha Romeo or Haas to prove himself I don't know.
    He wasn't some randomer McLaren picked up off the street for his first year, they obviously saw talent in him. Not to mention he joined Mercedes when they had won previously zilch at the time after returning

    He joined them when they had gotten their requests honoured when it came to the massive rule changes in 2014, well timed.


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  • #172
    Killinator
    Registered Users Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Killinator


    Gintonious wrote: »
    He joined them when they had gotten their requests honoured when it came to the massive rule changes in 2014, well timed.

    Even if he did and he knew they were in with a great chance of winning, it's not exactly unheard of for a driver to try and get to what they think is the best team.
    Neither Vettel or the God amongst men to some, Alonso, joined Ferrari thinking they be a **** show. They joined as they thought it would give them a shot at the title.
    Yet we're told Hamilton's titles mean less or don't count because his choice worked out and the other guys didn't.
    Rosberg drove a dominant Merc, why isn't his title questioned.
    Buttons Brawn was in a league of 2 for the first half of his title winning season .
    These drivers are used as a stick to beat Hamilton , but no one is saying their titles don't count or mean less because let's face it they are not in with a chance of breaking the great Schumi's 7....well is it really 7, can we count the titles he 'walked' or was 'gifted'. Maybe he's closer to 5. And Senna, maybe 2 if we discount the 'easy' ones


  • #173
    Frank Bullitt
    Registered Users Posts: 11,238 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Killinator wrote: »
    Even if he did and he knew they were in with a great chance of winning, it's not exactly unheard of for a driver to try and get to what they think is the best team.
    Neither Vettel or the God amongst men to some, Alonso, joined Ferrari thinking they be a **** show. They joined as they thought it would give them a shot at the title.
    Yet we're told Hamilton's titles mean less or don't count because his choice worked out and the other guys didn't.
    Rosberg drove a dominant Merc, why isn't his title questioned.
    Buttons Brawn was in a league of 2 for the first half of his title winning season .
    These drivers are used as a stick to beat Hamilton , but no one is saying their titles don't count or mean less because let's face it they are not in with a chance of breaking the great Schumi's 7....well is it really 7, can we count the titles he 'walked' or was 'gifted'. Maybe he's closer to 5. And Senna, maybe 2 if we discount the 'easy' ones

    I can only speak for myself, but I don't see what being the case with most.

    As for the first line, the only driver to break that mould was Schumacher, when he went to Ferrari who were well at sea when he joined. (I am a Schumacher snob, so I will always jump to his defence.


  • #174
    Rodney Bathgate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Killinator wrote: »
    Rosberg drove a dominant Merc, why isn't his title questioned.

    Rosberg gets minimal credit for his title. None from Hamilton fans. They usually blame reliability. No mention of the many atrocious starts Hamilton made that season.

    Seeing Hamilton ‘race’ by backing the pack up to hinder Rosberg was hilarious though. A real ‘racer’.


  • #175
    recyclebin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,499 ✭✭✭recyclebin


    Rodney Bathgate wrote: »
    Rosberg gets minimal credit for his title. None from Hamilton fans. They usually blame reliability. No mention of the many atrocious starts Hamilton made that season.

    Seeing Hamilton ‘race’ by backing the pack up to hinder Rosberg was hilarious though. A real ‘racer’.

    You mean like Schumacher who collided with Hill and Villeneuve, or Senna into Prost. I don't think Hamilton has ever deliberately crashed into someone. All the greatest drivers didn't get there by being nice!


  • #176
    nelly17
    Registered Users Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭nelly17


    For me I think its a shame Ferrari are not really at the races this year if you will excuse the pun, I genuinely think that if their car was better Le Clerk would be a:very compeditive or b: beating him. And actually showing Lewis to be good but not great or legendary and it would probably take him down a peg or two.


  • #177
    Killinator
    Registered Users Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Killinator


    nelly17 wrote: »
    For me I think its a shame Ferrari are not really at the races this year if you will excuse the pun, I genuinely think that if their car was better Le Clerk would be a:very compeditive or b: beating him. And actually showing Lewis to be good but not great or legendary and it would probably take him down a peg or two.

    Or maybe, just maybe, Lewis would/is a better driver.
    Ifs and buts are fine but Hamilton has the trophies not Leclerc


  • #178
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Killinator wrote: »
    Or maybe, just maybe, Lewis would/is a better driver.

    I very much doubt that.


  • #179
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,058 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Killinator wrote: »
    Or maybe, just maybe, Lewis would/is a better driver.
    Ifs and buts are fine but Hamilton has the trophies not Leclerc

    Leclerc is in a universally accepted rubbish car. He hasn't a hope of winning in it. Hamilton has been and is in the best car on the grid by a country mile. Fair play to him but winning in the Merc is much easier when compared to the crap Ferrari. Think about it this way - would Hamilton win the championship in the Ferrari?


  • #180
    Killinator
    Registered Users Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Killinator


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Leclerc is in a universally accepted rubbish car. He hasn't a hope of winning in it. Hamilton has been and is in the best car on the grid by a country mile. Fair play to him but winning in the Merc is much easier when compared to the crap Ferrari. Think about it this way - would Hamilton win the championship in the Ferrari?

    No, he obviously wouldn't. But leclerc isn't going to either.
    So what, if Leclerc was in the Merc and Hamilton was in the Ferrari, obviously Leclerc should win.
    But he's not in the best car, only 2 people can be in the best car at any time
    What has Leclerc done, actually done, that makes him a better driver?


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  • #181
    2011
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


    Killinator wrote: »
    What has Leclerc done, actually done, that makes him a better driver?

    Well for a start he doesn’t accuse other drivers of cheating when they beat him fair and square. I would think that this gives Leclerc an edge of Hamilton that enables to objectively analyze what is making him slower and build on that.


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